Jeg jr. driving a MOPAR STOCKER
I was looking at the Milan dragway website and I saw 2 photo's of Jeg jr driving what appear to be an MPR built STOCKER. very nice car, it says he ran 10.20's, look general chat room...Luke
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looks like jeggie got the inside scoop on GM buying mopar...lol..what was he thinking??
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Once you get a taste of "Hemi" you can't drive anything else... |
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t.hall,i thought the little guy post was 2 fuuny,he could own every hemi in the land if he wanted to..just because he drove the hemi ,i dont see him parking his GM pro/stocker..lol
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sarcasm...just one of the many services we offer...
Does anyone know what combination that car has?? maybe it will make a debut at the Dutch. |
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My guess is it had the same engine that was run in Denver; the new 392 HEMI. That is not an engine offered in the new Drag-Pack Challenger. It will be limited to 5.9L Magnum, 5.7L & 6.1L Hemi any with auto trans or 6-speed trans.
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Er, I don't think that's a "STOCKER," either....
Maybe a Super Stocker... |
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If that car is a Stocker, it needs to be in the Classification Guide.
It's not. Where are the horsepower numbers going to come from that will determine the NHRA factors that determine class? For example, the 360 Magnum motor was never offered in a passenger car, and a new one hasn't been built for years. All you can get are crate motors, which are rebuilt engines. I'm not sure where the horsepower numbers on crate motors come from. They may not be run on a dyno according to the SAE standdard that is used for legitimate (conventional) new cars. Then again, they may.. There are several hoops to jump through if these cars are to be run in Stock Eliminator, it seems to me. There are no numbers in the Classification Guide for ANY 2008 Dodges, much less 2009. If they want to run these things at Pomona in February, somebody had better get busy, it looks like to me... I sincerely hope they do; it would be really interesting!!! |
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This car is a 2008 Challenger and the chassis was built to NHRA Stock Eliminator specs. It is the same car driven by Judy Lilly in Denver and is a development car for Mopar. The Drag Pak Challengers are 2009's and can be ordered begining October 17th.(last Friday). Available engines in the Drag Pak cars are 5.7L, 5.9L and 6.1L with stick or auto trans.The Challenger driven at Milan by Jeg has a 392 Crate Hemi with an auto trans and went 10.20 @ 129.29. AutoWeek covered the testing which was cut short due to rain and I would expect magazine coverage by AutoWeek in the very near future.
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I'd bet that if Chrysler wants it in the guide it will be in the guide when they want it. They will clear the hoops in a single bound. Now if it was one of us wanting a change, that would be different.
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MPR,
Thanks for all that good information, I appreciate it. I am curious about two items you reported on. 1. If that car was built ro Stock Eliminator specs, where did the afternarket hood scoop come from, or do ALL the 2008 Challengers have hood scoops like that? 2. What version of a 5.9 (360 Magnum) motor do you think they will be able to install, assuming they run that motor, since it hasn't been manufactured in a while, and was never in a passenger car??? Do you think they'll just stick a crate 5.9 motor in it and use the crate HP rating? I don't know what else they could do.... I guess they could stick in a pickup truck 5.9 of the type that was being installed in trucks the year they quit making it. I don't remember when that was, but I think it was a few years back. I believe it was replaced by the OHC 4.7. Additionally (and, this is nit-picking, I realize), all the crate motos are overbored .030", so they're not 5.9's any more; they are actually 6.0's.... nomenclature-wise. Help!!! |
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The hood scoop as well as several other items are avaiable on the Drag Pak Challenger only and are not being installed on the show room car. The Drag Pak Challenger is a special version being produced with items allowing the car to compete in NHRA Stock classes. I know the NHRA is in the approval stages with Mopar but I'm not in the loop as to how far along they are or when the car will be listed in the Classification Guide. As far as the motor(s) are concerned, I don't know much about them. I can't tell you if the 5.7L is a crate motor or production unit. My suggestion for anyone interested in the Drag Pak Challenger is to contact the're Dodge Dealer and look over the Order Forms and see what options are available. The ordering info was sent to Dodge Dealers last friday.
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,MPR,
Thanks again for posting that info. I'd be surprised if NHRA lets them run that hood scoop in Stock, but, money talks.... you know the rest. Maybe I'll waltz on over to my local Dodge dealer to see what they have by way of ordering information RE the 360 Magnum motor, since it's on its way to becoming a museum piece. A weird situation, with that particular motor. |
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Bill,
The car as shown with Jeg driving it is what will be on the track.Think 68 Hemi car,but stock eliminator legal. It's a special race only package car. |
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Doesn't anybody even look at their rule book anymore? (I said "anybody", not "everybody".) ;):p
On the first page of the NHRA Stock class section is this: "OEM may apply for inclusion of any special production runs into the Official NHRA Stock Car Classification Guide. Special run must include a minimum of 50 units of an already accepted body style, need not be showroom available. Applications evaluated on an individual basis. Acceptance will not imply precedent." This may mean that the OEM Challenger may be included in 2009, but specs and ratings need to be sorted out for those also. |
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I think Bill is just bored and nit-picking the rule book and classification guides. |
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Well, I already admittied to nit-picking, if you read my earlier posts.... HOWEVER, I am often told that I cannot put a 340 (for Stock Eliminator) in my '72 Valiant 4-door since it's NOT IN THE CLASSIFICATION GUIDE, although any small block engine could be ordered in any chassis in 1972, according to three reference books I have.:.
These ersatz "Challengers" aren't in there, either... But, I hope they are soon; I want badly, to see them run!!! RE: "Applications evaluated on an individual basis. Acceptance will not imply precedent." Translation: "Just because we do it for THEM doesn't mean we'll do it for YOU...." LOL! |
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Obviously these cars and drivetrains will make it to the class guide. They're on my order form with correct part numbers.
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Very cool but does it ever look bulky with 15" wheels.
Any idea what the weight is? I've seen a road test on a street version where it was a whopping 4100 lbs. I think with a 360 it would probably fit down to U/SA. :) |
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800 # weight reduction.
Polycarbonate windows and light-weight regulators Composite hood Manual rack & pinion light-weight front-end & bumper attachment Light-weight front disk brakes HVAC removed Wiper assembly removed No sound deadner or sealer No back seat Inside trunk release cable Altered wheelbase and engine location Fixed rear axle Performance engine assembly Switch panel Comes with roller wheels / tires / rear-end SFI bellhousing on m/t cars |
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Jeff,
Thanks for the information. Any idea of what the "sticker" price will be for one of these? |
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Really, it's the most exciting package offered by an OEM in 40+ years! |
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What does roller rear end mean? no axles or ring& pinion?
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The cars will weigh 3100 with the two hemi engines, and 3200 with the 360. The cars are through dealer parts departments and will be billed to the dealer. That is a new twist.
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Who gets the commision, parts guy or salesman ?
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The paper work i recieved from my dealer says " At minimum, drag pak vehicle kit require rear axle, rear suspension, driveline safty equipment, wiring, fuel cell, safty cage/ roll bars, fire system, safety harness and other additions to be considered competition ready" so I assume the cars are not rollers.. Any one no for sure?
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For the sake of having the info, I went to the parts dept. of Daytona Dodge and they sent me up front! The owner wasn't there but they took my contact info. I just got an email saying:
"He said we do not have any of the information that you requeted. You can go to mopar.com or allpar.com and they should/might have the information you are seeking." Oh well. Hmmm, at 3,200 lbs with a 360, it would fit H, I and J crate motor in IHRA using my current 360/320hp factor Commando engine!:) lol Well, it's fun to dream. |
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My assumption is roller means an 8 1/4 rear with steel wheels and laying around take-off tires.
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Dodge ChallengerDrag Pak kit from Mopar•No body sealer, sound deadener, undercoating•No windshield wipers•No HVAC ducting, controls, wiring•No rear seats•No power steering system•No underbody heat shields•No exhaust system•Composite liftoff hood•Lightweight drag race front brakes•Lightweight front fascia support system•Lightweight cooling module with electric fan•Revised engine position with specially-designed mounting system•Polycarbonate side windows with lightweight lifting mechanism•Powered by competition versions of 5.7L, 6.1L HEMI engines and 5.9L MagnumA Drag Pak Challenger test vehicle in action
Contact: Mopar Hotline (888) 528 HEMI (4364) © 2008 Chrysler Motors LLC SOME ASSEMBLY ISREQUIRED ! Dodge Challenger Drag Pak vehicle kits are not street-driveable. Mopar has worked with NHRA to develop a modern “Package Car.” This competitive envelope is the most effective way to begin an NHRA Stock or Super Stock program. some assembly required!! Consult the rules for the sanctioning body which governs the racing series you wish to compete in. At minimum, Drag Pak vehicle kits require rear axle, rear suspension, driveline, driveline safety equipment, wiring, fuel cell, safety cage / roll bars, fire system, safety harness and other additions to be considered competition ready. 2009 MOPAR DODGE CHALLENGER DRAG PAK ORDERING GUIDELINES FOR DODGE DEALERSHIPS The following guidelines are published for parts managers intending to order a Mopar Dodge Challenger Drag Pak. Dealers are required to identify a potential customer for the vehicle in writing. All applications will be reviewed by Mopar prior to filling orders. Mopar has created an excellent opportunity for your dealership to work directly with sportsman-level drag racers and Mopar enthusiasts on this exciting new program. Don’t pass up this opportunity to make long-term relationships with this loyal customer base. Program Headquarters will accept applications until October 30th, 2008. 1. Customers interested in purchasing a 2009 Mopar Dodge Challenger Drag Pak parts kit must fill out a specific application form that will be available on Mopar.com. 2. Mopar is directing interested customers to bring completed applications to the Parts Department at a Dodge Dealership. Completed application forms must be submitted by an active Dodge-franchise dealership who will review purchase terms, sign and FAX the application to Mopar’s DirectConnection HQ: 248 324 6002 use the fax cover sheet supplied with these ordering guidelines. 3. Signed purchase agreements indicate that the dealership is prepared to transact the sale of a Dodge Challenger Drag Pak to the customer at or below MSRP pricing printed on the Purchase Agreement. 4. Orders will be reviewed by DirectConnection on a first-come-first-serve basis. Incomplete applications will require additional time to process. The Hotline may not be able to advise of an incomplete application immediately upon receipt. A DMAIL will be sent to the Parts Manager upon receipt of a complete application at HQ. 5. It is recommended that the applicant and/or driver have a current Competition license or sanctioning body affiliation prior to ordering their vehicle. Applicants are encouraged to submit an additional one-page sheet with the application which outlines their racing history and their plans for a racing program built around the Dodge Challenger Drag Pak. 6. 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Dodge Dealership Dealership Name: __________________________ Parts Manager’s Name: _________________________________________ Address: __________________________________ __________________________________________ Dealership representative authorized to sign Purchase Agreement(if different than above): __________________________________________ __________________________________________ Dealer Code: ______________ Contact Phone Number: ______‐______‐________ Applicant Driver (if different than ‘Applicant’) Applicant Name: ____________________________________ Driver Name: ________________________________________ Address: ________________________________________ Address: ____________________________________________ ________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __ City: ________________________ State: ____ Zip: _________ City: ________________________ State: ____ Zip: _________ Contact Phone: ______‐______‐________ Contact Phone: ______‐______‐________ Other Phone: ______‐______‐________ Other Phone: ______‐______‐________ Email address: ______________________ Email address: ______________________ Sanctioning Body Affiliation: __________ license #: __________ Sanctioning Body Affiliation: __________ license #: _________ Drag Pak Kit Options CHECK ONE √ Engine / Transmission MSRP Engine / Transmission MSRP Sales Price �� 6.1L 4‐speed Automatic $36,995 �� 6.1L 6‐speed Manual $36,995 �� 5.7L 4‐speed Automatic $36,995 �� 5.7L 6‐speed Manual $36,995 �� 5.9L 4‐speed Automatic $36,995 �� 5.9L 6‐speed Manual $36,995 $ Spare Parts Description QTY Part Number Sales Price �� 6.1L HEMI® EFI Drag Pak Engine assy ____ P5155189 $ �� 5.7L HEMI® EFI Drag Pak Engine assy ‐ ____ P5155190 $ �� 5.9L Magnum EFI Drag Pak Engine assy ____ P5155197 $ �� Polycarbonate front window (left) ____ P5155097 $ �� Polycarbonate front window (right) ____ P5155098 $ �� 5.9L Engine mount kit ____ P5155102 $ �� 5.7L / 6.1L Engine mount kit ____ P5155103 $ Dodge Challenger Drag Pak Purchase Agreement Page 2 of 3 © 2008 Chrysler Motors LLC Spare Parts Description QTY Part Number Sales Price �� Manual steering rack assy ____ P5155176 $ �� Switch Control Panel ____ P5155250 $ �� Brake master cylinder assembly ____ P5155259 $ �� Trunk release cable kit ____ P5155227 $ �� Manual Throttle Cable Kit ____ P5155226 $ �� MTX 6‐speed bellhousing kit ____ P5155286 $ �� Cylinder block ‐ 5.9L Magnum race block ____ P5153579 $ �� 5.9L Fuel Injection kit ____ P5515180 $ �� 5.7L / 6.1L HEMI® EFI intake manifold kit ____ P5155288 $ �� 5.9L Magnum EFI intake manifold kit ____ P4510046AB $ �� 5.7L / 6.1L HEMI® High‐capacity oil pan kit ____ P5155167 $ �� 5.7L / 6.1L HEMI® Forged crankshaft ____ P5155188 $ �� 5.7L / 6.1L HEMI® Race Crank Damper assy ____ P5155238 $ �� Drag Pak lightweight starter ____ P5155287 $ �� Front Suspension Kit: Brake, Knuckle, Hub ____ P5155203 $ Spare Parts Total $ Drag Pak Kit Total $ Sales Tax $ Transaction Total: $ |
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• Vehicle will be used solely for sanctioned racing or for display purposes • Vehicle will not be operated on any public or private road or highway • Vehicle will not be registered by Purchaser for use on public roads or highways and will not have any registration or license plate affixed to it or obtained for it • Purchaser assumes any risks and liabilities connected with the operation and use of the vehicle It is agreed and understood that no warranties of any kind or character, either expressed or implied, are made by the dealer or Chrysler LLC concerning this parts kit. Any warranties from a manufacturer or supplier, including warranties on any Dealer‐installed, non‐manufacturer accessories, are their warranties, not administered by the Dealer or Manufacturer. Where any such warranties exist, they are the liability of suppliers or other such parties. All goods, services and other parts are sold "AS IS" unless a separate, non‐Manufacturer warranty is identified. This disclaimer in no way extends a Manufacturer's Warranty to the goods described above. No other agreement, promise, or understanding of any kind pertaining to this purchase will be recognized. The Purchaser acknowledges to have read and agrees to comply with the conditions set forth in the document "Mopar Dodge Challenger Drag Pak Ordering Guidelines." The "Guidelines" document is distributed with this Purchase Agreement on the Mopar.com website Fullfillment of the items listed in this Purchase Order is subject to material availability from Chrysler Motors LLC. This Purchase Order is not valid or considered complete by Chrysler LLC unless signed by dealer and purchaser. Applicant Signature: Dealership Representative: Applicant Name: Representative Name: Race Team Information Form Team Name ___________________________________________ Mopar’s Direct Connection racer database will be updated with the information you provide. Direct Connection does not sell information about your team to 3rd parties. Your contact info will be used when we send out newsletters, race flyers, race results, etc. Shop Address ___________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _ __________________________________________________ _ Shop Phone __________________________ Home Phone __________________________ Email __________________________ Team Website URL: _________________________ PR Contact __________________________ Current NHRA/IHRA License Number ___________________________ Race Vehicle Make / Model ______________ NHRA / IHRA Class or Category ____________ Describe below your Team’s plan to campaign a Dodge Challenger Drag Pak unit in sanctioned competition in 2009 and beyond. __________________________________________________ ______________ __________________________________________________ ______________ __________________________________________________ ______________ List below the NHRA/IHRA event(s) you have competed in during the last twelve months along with the number of rounds in competition. We collect information about your team’s racing history to help us establish the type of customer that is interested in the Drag Pak kits. We know your team is interested in future Mopar-powered championships, regardless of past history !! Event Date Rounds of Competition __________________________ __________ ________________ __________________________ __________ ________________ __________________________ __________ ________________ __________________________ __________ ________________ __________________________ __________ ________________ __________________________ __________ ________________ __________________________ __________ ________________ __________________________ __________ ________________ Competition Points History Sanctioning Body: ___________ Year: _____ Points Earned: _______ Sanctioning Body: ___________ Year: _____ Points Earned: _______ Sanctioning Body: ___________ Year: _____ Points Earned: _______ Sanctioning Body: ___________ Year: _____ Points Earned: _______ Sanctioning Body: ___________ Year: _____ Points Earned: _______ ©2008 Chrysler Motors LLC |
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