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fredjohnston 05-29-2008 01:37 PM

1.40 under index HP adjustments
 
Didn't the Shelby of Adkins go 1.40 under the index at Maple Grove last weekend? I'm just wondering why the new HP isn't posted somewhere on the NHRA/Lucas Page.

Does this also change the factor for this combo?

Have I just been missing it or, has NHRA quit posting the HP/Index changes after a run of 1.40 under the index?

Big Blue Oval fan here.

Dusty Lowell 05-29-2008 01:58 PM

Re: 1.40 under index HP adjustments
 
Goto the Classification guide the 428 / 355 (stick only) combo is now rated at 370. Double check that because i am at work and cant get the guide to load here. But i know they updated it on Monday. The new adjustment is in yellow. later

Jim Wahl 05-29-2008 02:35 PM

Re: 1.40 under index HP adjustments
 
Dusty, I haven't looked but they normally are posted on the the Lucas site the Wednesday following the weekend the run occurred. It should also be in the classification guide by now. Jim

hadtobethere 05-29-2008 06:27 PM

Re: 1.40 under index HP adjustments
 
WOW...go 1.40 under and get 3 HP....if you have a GM and go 1.20 under, you get 5 HP.....my math

Stevie Ficacci 05-29-2008 06:28 PM

Re: 1.40 under index HP adjustments
 
he got 12

hadtobethere 05-29-2008 06:58 PM

Re: 1.40 under index HP adjustments
 
sorry, I stand corrected.....thought the old Stick HP was same as the Auto...just goes to show how screwed up the horsepower factors are.

Lower the 30 year old index...say .30 - .50 and lets get back to class racing, the way it should be...........

Tony Janes 05-30-2008 12:17 PM

Re: 1.40 under index HP adjustments
 
Hadtobethere, your reason for lowering the indexes is what? Now give a good reason not an agenda

hadtobethere 05-30-2008 12:51 PM

Re: 1.40 under index HP adjustments
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony Janes (Post 70799)
Hadtobethere, your reason for lowering the indexes is what? Now give a good reason not an agenda

Tony, I thought it was very clear....the indexes are 30 years old, it is time to get real and put racing back into Stock/SS. If you can't run at least .20 to .30 under, you need to either re-think about changing your sport or get to work. No one is forced to run any combo that could never run .20 to .30 under....and no one said that drag racing was a cheap sport to get into.....so, if class racing is a bit hard or expensive, start with bracket racing at the local track and decide where, how, and why....many class racers started that way. Class racing (Stock/SS) was always performance rewarded and it needs to return to exactly that.

Mike Carr 05-30-2008 01:07 PM

Re: 1.40 under index HP adjustments
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hadtobethere (Post 70807)
Tony, I thought it was very clear....the indexes are 30 years old, it is time to get real and put racing back into Stock/SS. If you can't run at least .20 to .30 under, you need to either re-think about changing your sport or get to work. No one is forced to run any combo that could never run .20 to .30 under....and no one said that drag racing was a cheap sport to get into.....so, if class racing is a bit hard or expensive, start with bracket racing at the local track and decide where, how, and why....many class racers started that way. Class racing (Stock/SS) was always performance rewarded and it needs to return to exactly that.

Amen. Best post I have read in quite a while.

Bobby DiDomenico 05-30-2008 01:29 PM

Re: 1.40 under index HP adjustments
 
Rather than changing the indexes,

What if they just starting giving head starts off of them rather than allowing Dial Ins and the first one to the stripe wins? Would be a lot simpler right? And give every round that heads-up feel!

But I bet the car counts would drop even faster than they will with $8.00 a gallon diesel.

Superfan1 05-30-2008 02:32 PM

Re: 1.40 under index HP adjustments
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stevie Ficacci (Post 70724)
he got 12

Unless I am missing something, he got 20. For a 428 '67 Shelby the stock hp was 355 and it was lowered to 350 on 2/16/06; it was raised to 370 on 5/26/08 as a result of Adkins' run. By my math; 350 to 370 is 20.
Bill Seabrooks - superfan1

Superfan1 05-30-2008 02:40 PM

Re: 1.40 under index HP adjustments
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby DiDomenico (Post 70814)
Rather than changing the indexes,

What if they just starting giving head starts off of them rather than allowing Dial Ins and the first one to the stripe wins? Would be a lot simpler right? And give every round that heads-up feel!

But I bet the car counts would drop even faster than they will with $8.00 a gallon diesel.

The car counts would also drop because guys like Dan Fletcher and Kevin Helms, who run their cars fairly conservatively, ( 50 - 75 under), wouldn't stand a chance. They would have to change their current way of racing or stay home.
Bill Seabrooks - superfan1

5919 SSKA 05-30-2008 02:41 PM

Re: 1.40 under index HP adjustments
 
The fast will still be fast.

AUTOMATIC HP is given at -1.40, a "review" is triggered at -1.15...so to me, lowering the index---if indeed it is the case is a good thing. My combo got hit both times last year---a total of 10Hp. Until I see something in print, it's just a typical internet rumor.

It's still a shoe polish race (minus a heads-up run).

art leong 05-30-2008 05:28 PM

Re: 1.40 under index HP adjustments
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Superfan1 (Post 70829)
The car counts would also drop because guys like Dan Fletcher and Kevin Helms, who run their cars fairly conservatively, ( 50 - 75 under), wouldn't stand a chance. They would have to change their current way of racing or stay home.
Bill Seabrooks - superfan1

Do you really think, these guys can't go a lot faster. If they want to.
Going fast can be achieved in two ways.
One by spending more money (wisely, time spent learning to make a combo go fast counts as money) than the next guy.
Two. Pick a soft combo or class.
I can guarantee anyone capable of winning is capable of going fast.
Even I have gone fast. But I haven't won on my own.

Stevie Ficacci 05-30-2008 07:40 PM

Re: 1.40 under index HP adjustments
 
i dont know what it started at but atkins has been running on a 358 factor. before that he was 364ish but it was improperly hit by nhra and lowered back to 358.

Dusty Lowell 05-30-2008 08:48 PM

Re: 1.40 under index HP adjustments
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hadtobethere (Post 70807)
Tony, I thought it was very clear....the indexes are 30 years old, it is time to get real and put racing back into Stock/SS. If you can't run at least .20 to .30 under, you need to either re-think about changing your sport or get to work. No one is forced to run any combo that could never run .20 to .30 under....and no one said that drag racing was a cheap sport to get into.....so, if class racing is a bit hard or expensive, start with bracket racing at the local track and decide where, how, and why....many class racers started that way. Class racing (Stock/SS) was always performance rewarded and it needs to return to exactly that.



Very well put, I bracket raced at my local track for 12 years before building a stocker. Definitely big $$$ and work to get started and to be fast but thats just what it takes. Later

Superfan1 05-31-2008 12:18 PM

Re: 1.40 under index HP adjustments
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by art leong (Post 70850)
Do you really think, these guys can't go a lot faster. If they want to.
Going fast can be achieved in two ways.
One by spending more money (wisely, time spent learning to make a combo go fast counts as money) than the next guy.
Two. Pick a soft combo or class.
I can guarantee anyone capable of winning is capable of going fast.
Even I have gone fast. But I haven't won on my own.

I never said they weren't capable of going a lot faster; my point was they would have to change their current way of running their combo conservatively.
BillSeabrooks - superfan1


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