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I was browsing the internet the other day and came across something that said you could save gas by converting your car to run on water and gas - saving over 40% on fuel costs.

Check out this link - anyone have any idea if this is legitimate?

http://www.runyourcarwithwater.com/?hop=abletech

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Yes its true and I have some beach front property for sale here in New Mexico.

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Mythbusters did one on this, the listed system did not work. When they tried bottled Hydrogen it kinda worked but was less than safe for the engine.

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I think the last car to run on water was a Stanley Steamer.Somewhere around 1918.

Ed F.

The last car I had that burned water was my wifes 1992 Cougar 3.8 with the perverbial blown head gasket.Looked like a WWII destroyer setting down a smoke screen.

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The Tornado worked in some cars. It was a propellor looking metal insert for the air inlet tube. I believe we picked up some 1-2 miles per on the highway...In an Impala. Did not work in Envoy 6 cylinder...

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.........Actually in World War Two, some american fighter aircraft were equipped with water injection, to be used as an emergency short burst of power. during dogfights. most notably in the Pacific theatre. Wonder why no one ever tried that technology on a drag racing engine? Would not have to buy nitrous!!

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Water Injection system kits are still available for automotive use. Even Edelbrock used to sell a unit some years ago: the nozzle attached to the choke tower and it used a vacumm switch to activate the system. Water injection is still used on small helicopter turbine engines for high altitude/hot day operations.

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.....just thinking out loud here.......wonder if such a system could be used instead of nitrous?? Might not be as powerful, but certainly would be a power enhancer.

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I was under the impression that water injection stops pinging but does cause a drop in HP

http://www.rallycars.com/Cars/WaterInjection.html

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...... good article, still can't help but think.....about a turboed car, say in comp eliminator, or maybe super stock, [don't know the rules] and decide to set a record or maybe have a tight race next round, crank up the boost, and spray water, do not know how it would work, but as I read it, in that scenario you can get a short term HP increase.

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In a piston engine, it prevents pinging by cooling the combustion chamber and protecting the engine; there are not power gains. In a turbine engine, it cools down the hot section of the combustor so the pilot does not exceed the EGT and torque limits of the turbine engine.

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The water injection acts like an intercooler, it cools the air fuel charge. More power can be made by increasing boost (density of air) and increasing the amount of fuel.

Also, if you inject the water BEFORE the supercharger, the supercharger will increase efficiency as you will have less leakage between the high pressure and low pressure side of the supercharger.

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Well ya' just lost the last bit of credibility you might have had with me on that one Dick! :p

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That was a water/alchohol mix. I used to work on old Air Force cargo planes that used the same system (Called ADI, for Anti Detonation Injection) during take-offs.

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...this means you are older than dirt...just like Woodrow and Jeff Teuton.... :)

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True dat.

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Here is one a guy here in Tulsa is promoting. Supposedly a 50% to 75% increase in fuel economy. Guys here are paying $500.00 each to be trained and "certified" to install them. Supposedly a money back deal if you don't see a 50% increase.

http://www.powersaveofamerica.com/

I probably won't jump up and buy one.

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Jeff Lee, What I had credibility? ha ha.... Have you tried the Tornado deal..? We honestly showed 1-2 on a older Impala 6 on the road.....2001 I think. now the other burn water or the 100 mile Carb stuff. NO WAY would I even try that stuff.

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I know this is going to date me, the Olds F-85 with a turbo (1963?) came with an injection system and had a bracket for the bottle of what I think was alochol and water mixture to add to the system like the bottles that they had for windshield washers. I know some people hurt their engines because they didn't keep the system filled. Can you imagine an owner doing that now?
Jim N.

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Supposedly a money back deal if you don't see a 50% increase.

http://www.powersaveofamerica.com/

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Damn ED I was just getting ready to send you the PCM out of my 98 dually to work your magic on but I think I will try this thing first. I will be the first one on my block to have one I will be sooo cool pulling that big gooseneck with a dually that gets 20 mpg on gasoline. LOL. On second thought maybe I better see if I can find some time to get you that PCM

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Didn't get that diesel toter home? This stinking E10 fuel many stations have around here is killing me with the motorhome. It has an 8.1L gas engine. I have screwed with the PCM until I got it up to 8 to 8.5 mpg towing at 70/75 mph. That E10 crap knocks it back down to 6 or 6.2 mpg. With Jeanie's Lexus it drops from 28 to 26 or 26.5 on E10. That is about 7%, but it's a 25% loss on the motorhome. Went to HRP at Baytown/Houston last weekend (don't ask) and everywhere I stopped in Texas the pumps had a sign saying "this fuel may contain 10% ethanol". From my mileage I'm gussing it all did.

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I had a chance to buy a couple hundred more acres from my neighbor who was getting ready to lose it to the bank so it looks like the toter will be at least a couple of more years. I would rather have my piece and quiet and not have neighbors that complain than a toter, the new thing around here is for the yuppies from St Louis to buy a couple of acres of farmland, build their McMansion, and then bitch about the smell of manure or their blocked view because of the corn all around them. As for the E85 here in IL it is the law that 10% of all the fuel sold has to be ethanol blended. I usually pay the extra 10 cents a gallon and get the 91 or 93 (its not blended) it pays for itself in the increased milage. I saw on DRC your Baytown results, hang in there the roughf times make the wins feel that much better, belive me the last two years were murder on my self confidance but this year is making it all worth it.
Take care
Rob

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Still too blind to tell when I'm ahead at the finish line. The bracket racing part sucks.