Sportsman Council
 

Curious if there has been any meeting since Gainesville? Topics? If not, when is one scheduled?

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Seems like another Glendora scam to calm the unwashed masses.Hope I'm wrong

Ed F.

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Dick, we are constantly e-mailing each other as the request come in and if neccessary we talk by phone. We have some issues that we have voted on and is currently being addressed! You should see some issues being solved and show up in the rules revisions very, very shortly! As for a meeting, there are 7 of us on the Stock/SuperStock committee, one from each Division, so e-mailing-phone is a lot quicker than trying to have a meeting!
I am surprised at not having any more request than we have had from the racers, Most racers must be Happy!:D

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Woodrow;
Anything on payouts and sponsor payouts being addressed?

Ed F.

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Thanks Woodro,
Glad to hear you guys are actively talking over the issues. Good Luck
Dick

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If looking for superseeded parts, does one now approach our Division council member?

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Nah, they're just letting you recover and rebuild.:D

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Thank you for your hard work Woodro. Can we be included in these issues and rule revisions?

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Don't you think that everything the council is working on should be printed on the Lucas Oil Sportsman page of NHRA.com? We shouldn't be kept in the dark and then just have revisions thrust on us. It'll feel just like the treatment we're getting from Glendora.....WE NEED BETTER COMMUNICATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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That is the reason why they created the council...if all racers get involved, there will never be anything agreed to.

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I would hope to think that every change is coming from the request of the racers not from our own agenda. Thats the reason if you have a request you should contact your committe person in your Division or any member in any division for that fact!

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I can tell you all this. I've had a lot of requests from racers and every one I've discussed with other members on the committee or even NHRA people. Some of these requests have been good ideas, some simply self serving and some off the wall. One thing everyone needs to understand is that NHRA functions a lot like the government. It is a large bureaucracy that takes a long time to change. A lot of the things we are working on now probably won't be seen until next year, if then. One of the things I would like to see changed is a more streamlined process to make rule changes, especially relatively minor tech changes. I think we need to be patient and see how this thing plays out.

Greg

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I hope the rulechanges are kept to a minimum,seen to many classes slowly die when racers get involved with the rules...

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See other message above.

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Greg, I couldn't agree more, but to you and to Woodro, I'd also like to see entry fees the same nationwide (such as Div. VII's being reduced to match that of the other divisions that currently charge $10-15 bucks less for divisional races (than our current and new to '08 $165.00), and even lesser amounts than the (EGADS!) $165 we're now being charged for national open races??? I'm curious as to why we're being charged the same fee for an open, when there's no points involved, and no contingency money similar to a divisional---the entry fees should be cheaper, or the races should mean the same...one or the other! Doesn't that make sense to any one else out there??? Well that's my .02 worth.

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Garysz24, send me your request in an e-mail,,,,woodyrace@yahoo.com Thanks

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Greg,

I would like to propose to run heads up in practice rather than boring 3-4 time runs. If NHRA doesn't want the hassle, then couldn't we just all line up together for practice? If a guy doesn't really care about it, and just wants to work on his bracket racing, then line up and run anyway, nothing really changes. If there is no one in his class, then it is a heads up race against the index against the guy in the next lane. If NHRA doesn't want to fool with the dial in, then we do it on a 5 cent CPU(pencil) and a piece of paper for the winner.

I cant believe that everyone wants to run 3 or 4 practice runs over 2-3 days. How boring we have gotten in our old age? Let us take charge of our own fun, and quit waiting for everyone else to do it for us. Maybe it wouldn't work for National Events, but points races would be way more fun. Sponsors might even show up for it.

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Lynn

good request !!

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Yes! I've requested the same thing for D5. Haven't taken it to the Council though. Great idea.

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On top of these great ideas make sure the ICard is a priority also.

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I talked to a member of the counsil this week at a local Bracket event. He told me that they are currently working on 3 items.

1) Having ALL Classes back at National Events

2) Getting a 'freebie' Oil Down like the Pro's get

3) Getting ICard back

Perhaps there is more, but those are the ones he told me about.

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I can think of 100 things with a higher priority than I card.Clue me in,what's so important about it.

Ed F.

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Ed...the I-Card is too high tech for you...we all know you still use an Etch-A-Sketch for a laptop... :) :) :)

https://www.dgrmm.net//dilbert-etch.jpg

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You're such a ****ing know it, all enlighten me on the I card.

Ed F.

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Common Ed...tell me how you feel...just yanking your chain... Ed, the I-card gives real time data of the runs. There is lots of information at the following site:

http://icardus.com/index.htm

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Barney,go drink out of a toilet bowl,and get a real name while you're at it.

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Eddy,

Its another one of those have to have toys for the guys who have everything.. Its like having someone writing down everyone's time slips and download them on your telephone/computers for safe keeping... I think you should buy two of them incase one breaks...Nothing against CrewChief-Pro, but there are more important things to the majority of racers than the I-card , I have to agree with Ed on this one.. How about Payouts, Entery Fees, Round-monies, better Pit Spots, Fuel costs,Two-day races,etc..?
What does everyone else think is important to Stock + SuperStock racers..... Dave,

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I can see how the iCard can be a neat device, but I hardly see why it is such a high priority for people who don't sell the equipment. There are a number of issues involving sportsman racing that should take much higher priority than a toy.

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One may not want to move forward and get the latest part, but let's not move backwards. How much money has been spent on stocker cams, disc brakes, aftermarket pistons, aftermarket rods, electric water pumps, electric fans, stainless valves, transmissions, and other parts? What if they were all disallowed? If a person does not see the value in a part then do not use it, but to do away with the part once people have spent money is just plain wrong.

Change, any change, should be very carefully considered before allowing it, and once it is allowed, it should not be disallowed unless it is of great detriment to the sport.

There are racers out there who do not embrace change and wish to remain NHRA Stock Eliminator pure (no put down meant, or implied, just stating a fact), and when they do well it makes us all feel good.

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two pages later can I get a yes or no answer?

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Jeff,

It is probably better to ask your council member if he is the right person for the task.

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Bill,

I don't disagree with your point, but in times when many racers are thinking about whether they can afford to go to a race on not with all the fuel and other expenses.. I-cards are not high on the list.. We need to remember that it should be good for the majority of racers and not just a few.. There are many more important things to help racers today than an I-card, again nothing against Crew Cheif Pro who sell them.. With all the things we should be discussing to help racers who can't afford to buy fuel and attend races, we are talking about an I-card.. Maybe NHRA could get a fixed price on racing fuel for sportsmen racers at National events, one or two day divisional races, lowering entry fees, more round monies, find better insurance deals, inforce the current rules, many more small things can be done to help....
Bill, I think the Bristol race is a good example of whats coming, less than 50% in Stock.. Thats what we should be thinking about, not I- cards.. Hey maybe I am wrong and racers care more about having and I-card than going to the races... just the way it is... Dave,

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Dave makes a good point. There are many things that NHRA could do to reduce the cost of racing without costing themselves anything.

For example, we tried a late entry into St Louis, but they changed their "procedure" from last year on trying to enter. It seems you only have 1 hour after all the withdrawals on Monday night to enter the race, then the drop down menu disappears. Not even an act of congress can over-ride that drop down menu closure. Stacy asked if the bureaucracy was more important than his "cash money smack down on the barrel head" in this down turned economy. She laughed, said "no", but he still wasn't getting in.

Don't drill for oil, refuse nuclear power, then complain about gas prices and global warming. Somehow it all seems illogical, but similarly consistent.

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I still like my idea of 1/2 points meet classes and run twice at one event and be off the next and the other 1/2 classes run twice at the next meet. Pay for two race entries at one week end.
It gives the tracks the same meets
It gives NHRA double entries from 1/2 cars at each meet=same income.
It gives racers a way to race twice for one gas bill.

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Dave,
I reviewed my post, and do not see any reference to the I-card. The disallowing of any previously accepted part, or equipment is a very slippery slope, and where it stops is anybody's guess. I do not think we should revoke the acceptance of any previously accepted aftermarket part.

Stop changing the rules. That is my only point. The continual changing of rules is a major factor (minus fuel costs) in driving up the cost of racing. This is what fuels the vicious circle of keeping up with the fictitious Jones. It is what also killed IHRA Top Stock.