Two things that really pisses me off about todays stock elimintor
 

1 The AHFS. This system has taken a class that for years was performance based and turned it into a touchy feely eliminator. Now children lets make it fair for everyone. I know Johnny hasn't a clue how to make his car go fast and he is not really interested in learning . And Bob won't work on his combo and try anything new. Yes and Tom can't spend the money. You know we wouldn't want to hurt their feelings. So sorry we are just going to have to punish you for working on your combo and spending money to go faster. What a blinking joke. Case in point. Fred Hensons run last year at Houston. More than 1.4 under. I tip my hat to Fred what a great run!! I wish I was there to shake his hand. The air was great but Fred also works hard and spends the money. When your in air like that why shouldn't you be able to flex your muscle. But the AHFS added the HP to the hemi's and screwed that combo for most of the others that run it. My combo the 396/375 hp. I am sure we will be getting hit at mid season with hp. There are to many of us that run it going fast. It's a great combo but not the best one right now for the class. I also tip my hat to John Shaul. Indy class win in A/SA last year and now the Vegas thromp. John you have one bad *** car. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy and one we all know works his *** off. John has the fastest A car in the country! Bill Hawks 67 Shelby. Yes Bill I hate to admitt it but you have the fastest B car in the country. ( I know I could go faster in that combo but I am stuck with this turd Camero). But because there are more of us running the 396 combo we will be the ones getting the hp. We are already two steps behind these guys but we will get punished. Not that I want to see them get hp (well maybe the Shelby could use about 20 LOL) but now we will be that much further behind. I am sure we can all site other problems that we have AHFS. Now that we have reps why don't they scrap the current AHFS and come up with a new system. Or at least look at the other combo's running the same class before they decide if HP is needed. Barry


Kenny where the hell is spell check on this site

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Barry,

If they hit me, the iron head 396-375 this go round, I'm going to boycott the NHRA until they get this crap straight.... Mark my word.

Jim Cimarolli

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and what's number 2 ?

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Lol

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Good post Barry.
Fred?s run was unbelievable. When he made that run his weight was 3700 lbs. (440 hp). Can you imagine what he would have run at 3600 lbs. (430 hp). But one run should not make a combination obsolete, and I?m not just being selfish. I don?t think any combination (Hemi, Chevy?s, Wedges and yes, even the Ford?s) should be affected by just one very fast run under ballistic weather conditions. We need human intervention, some of us do not do this for the money, we do it for fun. Barry it would be a shame for your combo to be hit, I know the feeling. But hey at least you guys got the better manifold.

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Fred's run and the horsepower given to Bruce Noland's combo are just a couple of the items that need to be reversed. Maybe the Sportsman Committee can address these issues.

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Well, I'm going to add my two cents worth to this and then shut up for awhile.

What the horsepower committee is not taking into account is all the new "enhancements"
that have been allowed the last few years plus all the new radial tires, very expensive 'trick'
lightweight transmission, etc,etc,etc,etc. Plus there needs to be someone at the races
to keep up with how 'good' the air is in certain sessions of time trials,runs,etc.,and allow
for air that is very good.
Take Fred's run at No Problem Raceway last year. The air was -1000 ft.plus on many different
guages. Anybody in their right mind ought to know you don't allow a run under those circumstances
to count for anything. That is at least 2 tenths faster than any air most people will ever see under
normal conditions.
The problem in a nut shell is things have developed thru the years that haven't been taken into
consideration that make cars go faster. That is the first thing that needs to be addressed then
cull out the acid ported heads,etc. and class racing will be back where it ought to be.

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Human Intervention in factoring would be nice. Yes. Common sense use of air gauge info would be nice. Yes. Does the current method keep most people from competing in " Shoe polish eliminator" NO. (In no way minimizing fun of Eliminator or importance to our classes)Until the majority of the people push for more "class racing" the errors of the AHFS seem to get a deaf ear.
You are correct Why punish a worker or a believer in performance more than someone who works the Books to find the low factored combo?
Unfortunately I ran back when "a human" factored the cars. (not farmer) A person ran the same car in california and had a habit of "irritating" the tech person with sarcasm when OUR combo got hp. This made the tech person so mad he factored us( me in the mid west) out of competion in class here. We got 25 HP in 6 months. The adgitator got us 10 HP for qualifying number 2 at Phoenix and the number 1 car got nothing because he was "a good guy" to quote the tech person on the phone.
Just to say it can be bad BOTH ways if out of control or unsupervised.Intelligent supervision is definitely needed.

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See #1 read again.

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The AHFS is mostly a front for business as usual for nhra. Yes, they use the system when a combination has "violated" the AHFS. But then we still have the oh what the hell let's get that guy going on. It would be great if we had stand up men operating the system but we don't. We have some pathetic little person who gets his jollies off by abusing the system and out trust.

Barry,
The best thing to do is lobby for "open" classes at national events. By that I mean, you can run in A/SA in an open category (still with the same rules) but then you would have to put a dial on the car in a race with another non-open A/SA car in the eliminator. Everything else would be the same. Open A/SA cars would run each other as heads up in the eliminator. Yeah, you could get farther up the sheet in open classes and have more fun but nhra isn't going to add any classes so I just wasted a paragraph of your time. Sorry.

Richard,
I appreciate your sense of fair play. Thanks.

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When I said human intervention I meant have someone (preferable a human with common sense) look at the circumstance. We all know that Weather plays a big part in our sport. Surely if someone looked at Fred?s run they could have determined. That the conditions played a part in he's ET. I still believe that AHFS can work but it needs Adjustments.

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George, Yes it can work well with help....

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Maybe I'm missing something here, but what would be different about an Open Class A/SA and a non open Class A/SA? If you still have Heads up? Please elaborate? ( If they found a way to eleminate Heads Up's and turn our racing into all out Bracket racing, why would we still do it, or build cars to conform our cars to any rules? We could build 12 inch tire 500 CI, Power Glide (LEAVES LIKE A SLUG) Cement mixers and call them stockers and build them for an 1/4 of the price. Just wondering. We have all been bitching about tearing down cars to start to perserve some rules and our cars. Now guys are going to complain it cuts into Beer time????? :confused:

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I'm lost here with regards towards AHFS in both Stock and Super Stock.......do ALL RUNS (Divisional, National) count, or just National Events???

Currious---as there are some killer runs being made in Indy right now.

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Todd,
An open class would be exempt from the ahfs. All open class racers would still have to conform to all the tech rules in tear down for their combination; just as if they were not in an open class.

Then in the eliminator the open cars would run heads up if they are paired on the ladder. For example an open A/SA car would runs heads up against another open A/SA car. But the same open car would have to put a dial on his window if he had to run a non open A/SA. It's sounds more complicated than it really is. Actually it's pretty simple.

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Bruce, Current eliminator works like that now. No break out for heads up. The thing I see as a problem if an Open class were created it would be populated by one car in time. The most bogus. Current Heads up TOP/S and TOP/SS give Heads up opportunity and runs are outside AHFS but many combinations are being run and they are so far above the wt breaks for most bogus motors... Some ask for Jr. Stock and Low stock but thats where most factoring problems arise....Most of the upper class cars are fairly well factored evenly.
Dick

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I dislike AHFS more than anyone...but this open class i dont understand...were is the factoring then...it's still needed...or else..what have we won? would we would be stuck were we are now?

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Dick,

The most bogus? You didn't read all of my post. This hypothetical class would have to go through tear down just like the rest of the classes. The open classes have more potential than the Top Stock Class because of tear down.

The ahfs will be a thorn in the side of class racers until some device is put in place to separate the racers who want to go fast and the racers who come to race the eliminator. It doesn't have to be my little "open classes" idea but these two groups of racers have to be separated in some fashion for this to go away.