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I meet a guy yesterday who bought a 69 z with a flat hood & 1 4 barrel ,
I thought all 69 z's had the ram air hood and a cross ram intake....
how many came with a flat hood and 1 carb ?

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Tom -- All Z-28's came with 1 carb in '69 -- any that had crossram dual carbs came in the trunk or across the parts counter . As for the flat hoods I can't tell you how many they made but almost all had cowl induction as standard -- I had a new 69 Z Rally Sport that had a flat hood from the factory that I soon changed . I was going to post a picture but I 'm not allowed attachments on this site for some reason .

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Hi Tom,

I bought a 69 Z-28 from the original owner in 1974 that had been originally built with the flat hood and a single carb. It was in excellent shape with 21,000 miles on it. I paid a whopping $1,200.00 for it. It had few options EXCEPT for the factory 4 wheel disc brakes.........I sure wish I had that one back.

John Visner

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Hey Tom

My Super Stocker is a Factory Z/28,it came with a flat hood, i was told before June they all had flat hoods and Jack is right, cross-rams in the trunk PS Congrads Jack on your record and good looking ride
Brian

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As a guy who ran the streets in the mid to late 60's, I can say I never saw a cowl hood on a new street driven 69 Camaro back then. The only ones I saw were on cars on the dragstrip. The cowl hood option had to be checked on the order sheet when the car was ordered at the dealer. Of course those with cars raced out of dealerships knew what to order.

Today at car shows and rod runs you see a lot 69 Camaros with cowl hoods but very few have the flapper set up in the back of the hood. Just start looking for the flappers and you will be able to tell which ones might be an original cowl induction car. The thing is, all the parts to make a cowl induction 69 Camaro are readily available from the restoration industry.

PS...1969 Camaros in Stock and S/S that are allowed the cowl hood do have to have the flapper per the 2008 NHRA rulebook page 144 and page 153.

Travis

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

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When I bought my NEW 1969 Z-28 for $4100.00
It had the cowl hood and a super nice AM radio...

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From working at a Chevy dealership part time in the late 60's I can say the flat hood was standard and the other hoods were optional at extra cost. The earlier post that the dual carb option was only available across the parts counter is correct. No Z-28 came from the factory with a dual carb setup. They were available from the parts counter and were sometimes sold with the setup in the trunk as they went out the door. Installing the dual carb setup also voided the factory warranty as per a bulletin from GM that came with the setups. One of the mechanics in the shop at the dealership I was at actually bought the setup and installed it at the dealership and would swap it back if he needed warranty work. A GM warranty person would actually show up at the dealership usually every week or so and sign off on warranty work done. He did not really like the muscle cars and did not like to sign off on the warranty work on any of the muscle cars.
Being old now does seem quite so bad when you realize you lived through some nice history with all the muscle cars. We will never see them again in the same style.

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I've been doing a lot of work on several ' 69 Z's lately for one of my dealership customers. .....I just finished on a flat hood car that was a fully documented as such, It sure is strange nowdays seeing one with the flat hood. ......Travis, you're right about being able to purchace all the flapper parts now, but you can easily tell the difference between the original and the aftermarket parts, there is no comparison.....Tom

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ACTUALLY GUYS............ It was a production date issue. The early production cars had the flat hoods and the cowl induction hood came out later into the model year. SO....... ALL early production cars came from the factory with a flat hood and ALL cars built after a certain date got the cowl hood. It was standard equipment on all the later built Z/28's and ALL the Pace Cars and COPO Camaro's. Those the facts............

Did you also know early production Z/28's came with the shorter '68 spoiler too......As an option of course......





bob

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[QUOTE=bob gonier;65333]ACTUALLY GUYS............ It was a production date issue. The early production cars had the flat hoods and the cowl induction hood came out later into the model year. SO....... ALL early production cars came from the factory with a flat hood and ALL cars built after a certain date got the cowl hood. It was standard equipment on all the later built Z/28's and ALL the Pace Cars and COPO Camaro's. Those the facts............

Did you also know early production Z/28's came with the shorter '68 spoiler too......As an option of course......



From what I'm told, you are correct. Also most of the ones that were built in Norwood were flat hood. Mine was a flat hood that didn't stay flat for long. However I still have the flat one laying around. I am lucky that my Dad is a pack rat. I have almost all the orriginal parts in boxes, and car has mostly drag strip milage.

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Were there any 1968 model year camaros built with the cowl hood? I always assumed it wasn't until the 69 model year but was curious.

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Wrongo, Bob. I worked at a Chevrolet dealership in 1969 and was best friends with the owners. The cowl hood was an option on all 4-bbl equipped Camaros after 10-1-68, including Z28s. It was spec'ed as a required option with the Pace Car package and the COPO 427 cars, but never a "standard equipment" piece on anything. It's like a four-speed transmission. The Z28 option required ordering a four-speed and front disc brakes, but they were not part of the Z28 option. The Z28 code option only included the special engine, special suspension pieces, HD rear axle, HD cooling and the badging. The cowl hood option was not required on the Z28. Its option code was ZL2.

In the period between 1969 and 1973, I owned a '69 SS 396-325 with a cowl hood and the spoiler package, a standard '69 Camaro 350-255hp with the cowl hood option (Wierd car. It had a four-speed, disc brakes, 12-bolt w/posi, then a single exhaust. The original owner special ordered the car but didn't realize that the regular gas engines all came with a single exhuast system.), a '69 coupe with the Pace Car package, 350-300 hp which required the cowl hood option, a couple of cowl hood optioned Z28s, and a '69 SS 396-375 with the cowl hood package. I also owned a late-July 1969 built Z28 with a flat hood, a December '68 built 1969 Z28 with a flat hood and no positraction (dumb!), a '69 SS 396-350 hp with the standard SS hood and a '69 307 PG standard car with a flat hood. All were original production equipped cars.

The cowl hood was a 1969 year option only.

The short '68 style spoiler was never factory installed. There was a supplier problem shortly after the '69s were introduced because the spoiler package was so popular and the demand exceeded the supply. Many dealers responded by installing the '67-'68 spoilers, which were available, to satisfy the buyers.

The cowl hood has always been such a popular item and so many have been installed on early Camaros that the production availability facts have been blurred in time.

Those are the facts.

Dwight Southerland

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a late 68 Z28 could have had a cowl hood. Thats right out of a resto book.

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Wheres Jerry McNeish for this conversation????

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According to the Camaro White Book,there were 243,085 Camaros buit in 69. Only 10,029 were built with the option "ZL2 Hood,Special Ducted" . I had two 69 Z-28s back then.One was a gold and black Rally Sport with a flat hood. The other was silver and black with the cowl induction hood.

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Speaking strictly of 1967-69 Camaros, 1969 was the only year the factory installed a cowl induction hood. I have an original dealer's Chevrolet Parts Catalog dated Feburary 1973. The catalog was given to me by a friend who worked a Chevy parts counter. I happened to be at the dealership the day they received the newer parts catalog. He asked if I wanted the old parts catalog and I said yes. It covers 1965-72 Full size Chevrolets, 1964-72 Chevelles, 1962-72 Novas, and 1967-72 Camaros.

The following is taken from my original Chevy parts catalog:

8.000 PANEL, Hood Top

CAMARO
67-69 Camaro (exc. 350, 396, spec. duct hood)...............3938617 75.10

67 Camaro (350, 396)
68-69 Camaro (350, 396) (exc. spec. duct hood)..............3938619 78.40

69 Camaro w/ spec. ducted hood.....................................3949708 98.90


Travis

(Disclaimer: Now you guys know my secret for researching older Chevies)

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Dwight,
Weren't the deluxe rear bumper guards part of the Z/28 package? I remember a well known stock eliminator racer telling me that he wasn?t allowed to race his 68 Z/28 at a Div 1 race in the early 70s because the deluxe rear bumper guards had been removed and replaced by the standard guards by the previous owner. I know I?ve never seen a 69 Z/28 without the deluxe rear bumper guards.
Bob Rice

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In 1973 a guy showed me his new pride and joy that he was going to mothball because even then he knew it was probably one of one built....
69 R/S, SS, Z-28, Black with Gold stripes, Black vinyl top, Houndstooth seats, cowl hood, and a 375 HP 396 w/Turbo 400, 4.10 rear......

Thinking back, the Z package was trim, 12-bolt, and suspension mostly, the SS package was required to get the big block, the R/S package for the hidden headlamps, vinyl top and houndstooth interior ?????

I wonder where that car is now?
Only Black/Gold combination I ever saw.

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Someone built that car (either your buddy or the dealer): you couldn't combine the Z/28 package with the SS package, so you couldn't have a Z/28 option on an L78 car...Z/28 was more than trim, as it included 15" rally wheels and special Z suspension...and the only big block cars to get Z wheels/suspension were the COPO 9737 Camaros (had to have the COPO 9561 427 to be able to get COPO 9737). Also, no gold stripes from factory...only white/black/red, unless it was a pace car which got orange).

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I don't think so, Bob. I would have to drag out all that dealer/sales documentation I have to verify, but the special trim stuff like that was left off the Z28 package. It was performance only. In 1982, I restored a 14K mile original '67 car that was bought to be a Trans-Am racer and it had the Z28 package, the cowl fresh air package, service package rear end, HD four speed (M22), no radio, and heater delete ('67 only). There was not even a chrome drip rail on that car. Also, The Chevy dealer I worked at in 1969 had a left over '68 Z28 on the used car lot that had been ordered as a demostrator (the owner's son was the accountant and he drove it). We took that car and smoked over a few things and raced it in Pure Stock for a few weekends. I have pictures of that car and it shows no bumper guards, and it was pretty loaded (PS, console, gauge package, custom interior, etc.). I also have a '68 dealer brochure that shows a Z28 without bumper guards.

Dave, the standard engine in the SS package was a 350, not a big block.

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Yes all 69 Z/28'S came with the rear bumperguards. ;)

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I've always thought the '67 Z was the one to start with...ain't gotta tune the weight off of it! A good little small block package in a sexy car...

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Here is a link that has the descriptions of all hte RPOs. The Z28 package did include the bumper guards in 1969.

http://www.camarosource.ca/php/camar...eels&year=1969

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Back to that dual carb setup, I was once told that you did not need that, because those engines were capable of blowing up with just a single carb.

PS. do you know what Z/28 Stands for........ Two Tires Spinning @ 8000 RPM :D

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Maybe 8500........... Here's a video of someone "wringing out" a stock 302 Z-28 motor on an engine dyno.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/6...yno_156232.htm

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OK Dwight........... I'll buy into what you are saying but I owned a few original Z/28's and restored a bunch more and I have personally never seen a 69 Z/28 built after 4/69 have a flat hood. I personally owned a 9/68 built Z/28 with the flat hood and short spoiler and it had all the original paint and was bought from the original owner. I agree a ton of cars were converted to cowl hood/rear spoiler cars but all the factory cowl cars have a "special" hole in the firewall for the wires that operate the cowl flapper. I currently have a 6/69 Z/28 thats a factory cowl car with the D-80 spoiler code. Also..... the throttle arm for factory cowl cars is different..........

Theres no better info than from people who lived it.....................





bob

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You're probably correct, and it has been 35 years since I looked at that car. It sure looked factory to me, but I'm no expert, although I knew it was a one of a kind.
I found the badging, trim, paint and options to be quite unusual even at that time.
Either way, I'd love to find it now....and see what it really was....
If it were a COPO 427 car, could it have had aluminum heads as well, yet been badged as a 396?

I dunno, lots of water under the bridge since then, and I never was a Camaro guy anyway, give me full frames or give me death. :D

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I know of one 69 Z/28 that did not come with rear bumper guards. It was bought new at White - Allen Chevrolet in Dayton,O. I got the car in 70 and knew the orig. owner.

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Nope...no aluminum heads documented so far on 427 Camaros/Chevelles from the factory...unless it's AA/S! LOL!!

And a COPO 427 car would've been minus *any* badging, except for the bowtie in the grill and the generic "Camaro" script on the fenders/nose/decklid...

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Okay, thanks for that info.....
This has me bugged, I'm currently trying to track that fella down and find out where that car went, or if he still has it.
It's only been 33 years since I saw him last.....:rolleyes:
Of course, at that time, even knowing I was seeing something very unusual, we never dug around for build sheets and stuff....the cars were everywhere, cheap, back then.

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If the 1970 had a copo option with a 454 ls 6, why doesn't NHRA have those available to race?

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No 454 in a Camaro *ever*...396/375hp was the largest in 1970...and the only performance COPO found on a '70 Camaro is COPO 9796, which was the tall rear spoiler for the early built '70 Z cars.

Interestingly though, my original Tech Guide does indeed have a listing for a 1970 454/450 (LS6) Camaro, as well as a 1970 454/465 (LS7) Corvette (found in my original Classification Guide also!)...these would have been 2 pretty deadly street combos, too bad they never materialized!

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I have a 1970 Chevrolet dealer brochure that shows a 454 460hp engine option for a Corvette. Of course we know why that is not in the class guide

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I see it was offered in a Motion Camaro from New York.

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And you could get a Motion Camaro with an LS7 and a tunnel ram. But that doesn't mean it's acceptable to NHRA...

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seems all Z 28s had be a X33 or a X77. this is on the trim tag on the fire wall at the master cyl. lots of so called Z 28s are not really Z 28s.

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A '69 Camaro built at any point in the model run at the Van Nuys plant (would have a "L" in the vin#) was not assigned an X-code, no matter how it was equipped. Also, Ohio-built 1969 Camaros (an "N" in the vin#) that were produced prior to December, 1968, do not have any X-codes.

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I have an original Z/28 from Baldwin Chrevolet. It came with no console, no power steering and the fuel guage is where the clock is in the standard model. I still have the original window sticker and wanrantee charge card. The car came with a cowl hood and I beleive it was a part of the Z/28 package. It might even be a separate line order on the window sticker. Jerry Mcneish, I'm sure could answer questions about Z/28's
Casey Miles
248H

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Didn't all cowl hood option car come with the hood, rear spoiler, and airdam under the front lower valance.It seems that alot of the cars running in stock & super/stock only run the hood and not the rest of the option. Whats with that??

Hammer

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John: Back in the day, NHRA forced you to have the spoiler and the air dam or neither of them. You couldn't mix and match. Now NHRA doesn't seem to care or they don't have the experience of what should be correct for the 69 Camaro's. The air dam speeds you up and the spoiler slows you down, so that's why you see the cars with air dam only. NHRA should reenforce the rules on which way the cars are configured. Also, that option wasn't offered on all 69 Camaro's, depended on what engine was installed and model the car was if you could get the air dam and spoiler. The true cars offered with the air dam has a threaded bolt hole in the H frame for the air dam center support.
Casey Miles
248H