Re: Rambler All-American
 

In general, we are all looking for data that can be vetted and the source validated. So far, all we have found is conflicting information on the web... and that data that does not conflict, was obviously "cut & pasted" from someone elses web data. When enough people repeat the same bogus stats, some people are prone to take it as "gospel".

In the absence of actual Corporate documentation regarding the 1967 model-year production figures for the east Kenosha assembly-line, where the "small" cars (i.e.; Americans) were built, generally the AMC community believes:

1. The 58 (total) number is probably pretty close.
2. We have currently existing (and varifiable) 2-door examples of 220's, 440's, and Rogues that are X-code cars.
3. We do NOT know of any X-code 4-door cars (which includes station wagons, which only came in 4-door models).
4. We do NOT know of any convertible X-code cars.

...and that's about what we know...

But like everyone else, we love to hear the "my Dad told me that his Uncle had a Cousin, whose barber knew someone who thought he was absolutely pretty sure that he might have remembered..."

Re: Rambler All-American
 

67RogueX-code, it sounds like you're disagreeing with the sources that Paul supplied everyone and posted earlier in this thread, you practicaly begged him to give it up and post it so the rest of the AMC community could see it...You asked him where he got all his information from exactly, and he told you, so are you disagreeing with his sources now...Also while were at it, why don't you tell us the name of this person who allegedly borrowed documents from Rambler or AMC, so whats the real story behind this, why would he do that and doctor information.

Re: Rambler All-American
 

I think Paul, based on his post from 05:05AM this morning, is finding the same thing the rest of us have found. There are a lot of websites quoting production figures that either:

1) Can be proven to be inaccurate (as I've illustrated, by posting pictures of a varifiable 220 X-code car, yet the documentation indicates that none were built.
2) Totally contradict each other with how many were built (how do we determine which is correct, without ACTUAL production figures with dates, counts, and VIN-ranges?).
3) Or are blantant "cut-and-pastes" from other (unverifiable) websites.

Over on "theAMCforum", we have (probably) 100 guys that spent several decades either working on the assembly-line in Kenosha or at AMC dealerships throughout the 60's and 70's. There are at least 40 guys that between them (total) own several 100 1967 Americans... several of which are the original owners. There are a handfull of members that even have actual AMC blueprints and schematics from the engine plant. And, one of the members is generally acknowledged as the official AMC historian (Tom Benvie, who has posted here with regards to his research on SS/AMX's).

None of us have ever located the official AMC documentation regarding the 1967 (East Kenosha assembly-line) production figures...

But we're always hopeful that they will (someday) turn up.

Re: Rambler All-American
 

I'm trying to download the newspaper article from 1969,,,,,,,

Not that the information in the Evening Star Newspaper is 100% correct.

It only stated that Scott Smith had a limited production 1967 Rambler
'Super American',,,,,,with a factory installed '343' 'Typhoon'.

Scott Smith (car owner and Parts Manager at Geis Motors) mentioned
that his 'Frost White' 440 Hardtop 4-Speed was only 1 of 20 or so
of these Model cars built with this engine.

He said, in 1967 the 343 4-Barrel 'special performance engine' was usually found in the Rebel, and some specialty Rogue's.

Re: Rambler All-American
 

Thanks a lot Paul, we appreciate your efforts.

Re: Rambler All-American
 

Article '1';
'58' Rogues and '55' Model 440's,,,,,,,,,,,113 Total Production
I called factory back in 1979 and asked how many 343 americans were made in 67. A few weeks later a woman called in said and 67 there were 4000 hdtps. made and 113 had the 343. At that time I didn't know there 2 different hdtps. 440 & rogue . The only # that matches here is the 113 , nothing else matches up . I own two X codes , a fully optioned Rogue (minus headrests & rocker moldings ) the other is a 440 2 dr. post . Keith Coggins

Re: Rambler All-American
 

Thanks Keith,

I don't remember what you told me... what kinda of times were you getting out of the 440, back when you raced it?

Re: Rambler All-American
 

This is starting to sound all very familiar...it sounds exactly like the mopar gearheads and the magazines arguing about production numbers...you know you will never nail down an exact production number because one will always pop up years later and the actual numbers will be revised again & again...so in the mean time can some one please post some more photos of these things on the track, lets see what they were meant to do instead. :rolleyes:

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Re: Rambler All-American
 

It's been 32 yrs. since I've been down the strip. I still have my ride a 67 440 2dr. sedan . Engine is a 67 343 + .030 with TRW 4bbl. replacement forged pistons, it was decked .080 for a O deck ,this gave 11.9-12 to 1 Comp. with 71 3192691 Hds. ( 50.60ccs 1.687 ex.). Stock crank , rods , flywheel & dampner. Cam is a Sig Erson 320HLM 302 deg.-.570 lift (258@.050). Manifold is a Torquer with a Brazewell 2 BBL. ( 715 cfm). Hooker headers for a Gem. - Hrnt. Lakewood scatter shield was added after I blew a stock pressure plate ( not a pretty sight ). Clutch is a Mcleod 10.95 . Trans is the stock 2.64 ST-10 converted to a W series . Stock driveshaft . Rear is the AMC 20 with the stock dana powerlock with 4.88 s and a set of one pc. Henry's axles. Rear springs were moved in 1 in. per side to clear 10.5x28.5 M&Hs. Best time was a 11.82 @ 116.5. The car is probaly faster but I only leave a 6000 & shift at 6000 . It goes througl the lights at 6600 . Car WT. is 2820 Keith http://theamcforum.com/forum/smileys/smiley12.gif

Re: Rambler All-American
 

Are there any AHRA record books hidden anywhere ?