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sammy pizzolato 05-10-2011 02:45 PM

Re: Want to loose 3200 ugly pounds?
 
i will let you in on a little insight on jeff's new car it will have a one of a kind new clutch made by a cajun down in dulac la by a man named herman bodwin. it is so advanced this clutch was used in a skiff by herman himself for r and d this clutch is so good it will add 50 hp to the new car so watch out racer's.

NWDragracing 05-10-2011 03:03 PM

Re: Want to loose 3200 ugly pounds?
 
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Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich (Post 257728)
You completely ignore the fundamentals of how Stock suspension stuff works. It has nothing to do with chassis certification, that's merely the type of cage, as well as how well it is fabricated and welded. It's the suspension and handling that will be the problem. And you might want to call Hoosier and Goodyear, and ask them if the lightweight 9" radial slick is really designed to run 150+ with a 3400#+ car, and stock type suspension.

According to the Goodyear engineer, the Cobra Jet cars can run those speeds and weight with the supplied Goodyear drag tire. They were designed and tested for their application and it even has a specific designation, "DR".

http://www.fordracingparts.com/cobra...e%20Retail.pdf

Chad Rhodes 05-10-2011 03:05 PM

Re: Want to loose 3200 ugly pounds?
 
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Originally Posted by NWDragracing (Post 257764)
According to the Goodyear engineer, the Cobra Jet cars can run those speeds and weight with the supplied Goodyear drag tire. They were designed and tested for their application and it even has a specific designation, "DR".

http://www.fordracingparts.com/cobra...e%20Retail.pdf

wow really, so this "DR" means drag racing? It's about time a tire manufacturer stepped up and built a tire specifically for drag racing, now I can quit using those recapped trailer tires

NWDragracing 05-10-2011 03:10 PM

Re: Want to loose 3200 ugly pounds?
 
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Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes (Post 257766)
wow really, so this "DR" means drag racing? It's about time a tire manufacturer stepped up and built a tire specifically for drag racing, now I can quit using those recapped trailer tires

That was my same thought during our discussion. If you look at the link below, the tire also has the Cobra Jet Snake symbol.

http://www.insideline.com/ford/musta...ns_120910.html

Chad Rhodes 05-10-2011 04:35 PM

Re: Want to loose 3200 ugly pounds?
 
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Originally Posted by NWDragracing (Post 257768)
That was my same thought during our discussion. If you look at the link below, the tire also has the Cobra Jet Snake symbol.

http://www.insideline.com/ford/musta...ns_120910.html

nothing more than a marketing ploy i am sure

K Stubbs 05-10-2011 08:19 PM

Re: Want to loose 3200 ugly pounds?
 
With the way stockers are being built today, like MPR B&B etc, safety will not be an issue with the new cars going as fast as they are. And I would not compare them to outlaw classes where you have big inch, big horsepower cars, on small tires, running on marginal tracks. Actually, to at least the 330, the newer cars are much less violent than the older cars that are getting much higher in the air. If they are put in their own class with a lighter weight break, it shouldnt be a safety problem. When you think about how fast some of the other class cars of yesterday have ran,(like Top Stock, superstock, even modified) and compare them and how they were built, to the new cars, the new cars are safer. As far as the safety hazard on stock suspension, they are going in the 7's with it now, so I think stockers will be fine. Jeff is trying to get some input to help with the problem. I am pretty sure he is on our side on all of this.

Chad Rhodes 05-10-2011 08:59 PM

Re: Want to loose 3200 ugly pounds?
 
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Originally Posted by K Stubbs (Post 257816)
With the way stockers are being built today, like MPR B&B etc, safety will not be an issue with the new cars going as fast as they are. And I would not compare them to outlaw classes where you have big inch, big horsepower cars, on small tires, running on marginal tracks. Actually, to at least the 330, the newer cars are much less violent than the older cars that are getting much higher in the air. If they are put in their own class with a lighter weight break, it shouldnt be a safety problem. When you think about how fast some of the other class cars of yesterday have ran,(like Top Stock, superstock, even modified) and compare them and how they were built, to the new cars, the new cars are safer. As far as the safety hazard on stock suspension, they are going in the 7's with it now, so I think stockers will be fine. Jeff is trying to get some input to help with the problem. I am pretty sure he is on our side on all of this.

the only issue I see is the vast difference from a fast A/FX car to a slow V/S car. I thin it might be time for all stockers to have the same safety specs

Alan Roehrich 05-10-2011 09:00 PM

Re: Want to loose 3200 ugly pounds?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NWDragracing (Post 257768)
That was my same thought during our discussion. If you look at the link below, the tire also has the Cobra Jet Snake symbol.

http://www.insideline.com/ford/musta...ns_120910.html

The same exact tire is made for Chrysler, with a logo for them on it. And then they make the same tire with no special logo. I can tell you that the design changes were to improve consistency, and contact patch on the starting line. I talked to the guy at Goodyear in charge of the program. He made no mention of any change for improved handling at 150MPH+.

Ed Fernandez 05-10-2011 09:08 PM

Re: Want to loose 3200 ugly pounds?
 
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Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes (Post 257826)
the only issue I see is the vast difference from a fast A/FX car to a slow V/S car. I thin it might be time for all stockers to have the same safety specs

No problem,they'll just legislate all of us slow guys (N and down)out.What the hell,there aren't many of us,we don't spend a ton of money on parts and chassis shops and we take to long to get to the stripe.That interferes with the TV time for the pros.

Alan Roehrich 05-10-2011 09:09 PM

Re: Want to loose 3200 ugly pounds?
 
Jeff, I'd say again that A/FX thru D/FX, with A/FX at 7.0 and D/FX at 10.0 would be a good start. I think the current ratings on the new cars will work fine at 7.0, (they'll be significantly lighter than say a ZL-1 or an L-88 forced to run at 7.5 in AA) and if you were to make the A/FX index at 10.20, that would allow the new cars to go plenty fast. They'd have to go 9.00 to go 1.20 under. That gives them 0.40 more to work with than the current index for AA which is 10.60. That would let you guys hold 4 tenths over the traditional cars.

Isn't 9 flat at over 150MPH fast enough for Stock Eliminator?


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