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So they should take the proposed language out of the regulation. If it is written and approved, at sometime it will be enforced .

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Bingo!

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"Congress has introduced a bipartisan bill that would protect race car enthusiasts from the EPA’s latest effort to prohibit the conversion of street vehicles into race cars. Known as the RPM Act, the Recognizing the Protection of Motorsports Act of 2016 was drafted to ensure that turning street vehicles into race cars driven exclusively in competition does not violate the Clean Air Act.
SEMA has voiced its support for the bill in a statement released earlier today:"
http://www.onallcylinders.com/2016/0...rts-suppliers/

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I imagine this would be the end of cruise nights too? A big problem around here was emissions testing all cars built after '67, yet a guy could build a "1932" Ford Roadster kit tomorrow with a Super Stock or NASCAR engine in it and be exempt from all testing because it is a pre-emissions vehicle in their eyes. Absolutely illogical.
Like all the "Green" folks flying their large jets to France rather than a teleconference?

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Where's the "like" button?

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Regarding the RPM Act referenced a few posts up...

Here's a link to the SEMA Action Network page. This link will automatically generate a letter to your senators and local state representative based on the contact information you enter. It only takes a few minutes and I'd highly recommend it!

http://semasan.com/issue_alert.asp?g...711.1457907853

Re: EPA To Prohibit the Conversion of Street Cars into Race
 

more waste of government spending

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Letters sent....

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How many of the wizzards at EPA even own or know how to drive a car?

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Doesn't matter John. We're just required to bend to their will. So far I've only heard one Pres. candidate talk about reeling in these rogue parts of govt.

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Any update on either the regulation language or the status of the proposed law that was written to allow this ? Is this new law something that the current President would sign into law ?

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I haven't seen anything new specifically on the RPM Act, but you can follow all of the new developments on this topic on SEMA's website dedicated to it.
https://www.sema.org/epa-news and https://www.sema.org/RPMAct

It does seem as though this is starting to gain some positive traction in Washington. From an article posted yesterday:

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I saw this on another site. It is in response to a letter written to a congressman in Oklahoma.




Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts and concerns regarding H.R. 4715, the Recognizing the Protection of Motorsports Act of 2016 (RPM Act). As your representative, I give full consideration to the concerns of the Oklahomans I am honored to serve in Congress.

As you may know, in 1990 when Congress took action to regulate “nonroad vehicles”, it explicitly excluded any vehicle used solely for competition. On March 7, 2016, U.S. Rep. Patrick McHenry (R-NC) introduced the RPM Act to the House floor. This bill excludes vehicles used for competitive events from certain provisions in the Clean Air Act. With the RPM Act, motor vehicles used for competition would not be encompassed in the definition of “motor vehicle”. On March 7, 2016, the RPM Act was referred to the House Committee on Energy and Commerce.

Despite the clear intent of Congress, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has cited the Clean Air Act as authority for regulating vehicles used solely for competition. The EPA has exceeded its statutory authority in its recent actions to regulate vehicles used solely for competition. I have joined as a cosponsor to the RPM Act, and I will be sure to keep your thoughts in mind should this or any other related legislation be considered on the House floor.

I encourage you to sign up for my weekly emails at mullin.house.gov to receive updates on federal issues that impact Oklahomans.

Again, thank you for taking the time to write. It’s an incredible honor and privilege to serve the communities and families I grew up and worked with my entire life. God bless!

Sincerely,

Markwayne Mullin
Member of Congress

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Typical liberal tree hugging BS.

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Here's a link to the SEMA website -

You can use this to contact your legislators and ask them to support the RPM Act.

https://www.sema.org/epa-news?__utma...utmk=261503813

Let's let them know how we feel!

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These are not LIBERALS doing this !!
This is a Conservatives VALUE !!

Liberals would promote racing !

Re: EPA To Prohibit the Conversion of Street Cars into Race
 

Huh?

Re: EPA To Prohibit the Conversion of Street Cars into Race
 

You're kidding, right?

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Are you insane?

Re: EPA To Prohibit the Conversion of Street Cars into Race
 

On what planet????????

Re: EPA To Prohibit the Conversion of Street Cars into Race
 

Not this one John

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Wow!........Obama's been awesome for the 4x4 crowd too, closed how many thousands of acres of off road land? Course you have to look to find the miniscule reporting on it, go to off road mag and read the news watch...scary stuff.


Not a liberal thing...wow, just...wow...

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Put down the crack pipe and stand away.

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Xxxx

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Is that the logo for "shine"? Maybe that answers it.

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Yeah, and AlGore is a Republican! Dan, your lack of political knowledge is showing! Jim

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Re: EPA To Prohibit the Conversion of Street Cars into Race
 

Maybe. Liberalism is, after all, a mental disorder......

Re: EPA To Prohibit the Conversion of Street Cars into Race
 

SO the new law Liberalizing of the EPA rules is not LIBERAL !???

Do you know what the terms mean?

D

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MAYBE all of you should have read the EPA Ruling before speaking.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/motorspo...ctually-means/

People may use EPA-certified motor vehicles for competition, but to protect public health from air pollution, the Clean Air Act has – since its inception – specifically prohibited tampering with or defeating the emission control systems on those vehicles. The proposed regulation that SEMA has commented on does not change this long-standing law, or approach.

Instead, the proposed language in the Heavy-Duty Greenhouse Gas rulemaking simply clarifies the distinction between motor vehicles and nonroad vehicles such as dirt bikes and snowmobiles. Unlike motor vehicles – which include cars, light trucks, and highway motorcycles – nonroad vehicles may, under certain circumstances, be modified for use in competitive events in ways that would otherwise be prohibited by the Clean Air Act.

EPA is now reviewing public comments on this proposal.

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http://arstechnica.com/cars/2016/02/...to-a-race-car/

In fact EPA provided a 2 month window for public discussion.
So they could get this right.

Can see few of you did any research and all that was posted was a plethora of knee jerk comments.

Dan

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Missouri Senator Clair McCaskill was behind the shutting down of Kansas City International (KCI Dragstrip), she as liberal as they get. She just happened to own the land next to the strip and wanted a Park instead.

Randy Wells

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I would wager a guess that a vehicle that was once "EPA-certified" is no longer "EPA-certified" once it is converted into a Stock Eliminator car! I'm not talking about a pure stocker, but an NHRA-legal A/SA, I/SA, U/SA, etc.

Also, you should re-read the second part of your excerpt - only "non-road vehicles" such as snowmobiles can be modified for competition and be exempt from this ruling!

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Interesting read from here: http://www.roadandtrack.com/motorspo...ctually-means/

And in the comments section:

§ 86.1854-12
Prohibited Acts

(b) (5) Certified motor vehicles and motor vehicle engines and their emission control devices must remain in their certified configuration even if they are used solely for competition or if they become nonroad vehicles or engines; anyone modifying a certified motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine for any reason is subject to the tampering and defeat device prohibitions of paragraph (a)(3) of this section and 42 U.S.C. 7522(a)(3).

By us they passed a law requiring seat belt usage, said it would never be the primary reason to pull anyone over. Now they allow seatbelt usage as the reason t pull vehicles over.

But you can still ride a motorcycle here with only a speedo and some sunglasses on, no safety equipment nor mufflers required!

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Dude, we did. That's the reason for the push back. Such rulings are like pythons. They sneak around you with the promise they are only trying to protect you, and then have the position to squeeze the life out of you. Back when FHA building rules were implemented, the purpose was to eliminate shoddy home construction and establish standards. Now I can get fined $500 per outlet for not having CGFI outlets within 10 ft of running water. What for? BS I would much rather take my chances against a builder who is trying to screw me or against "global warming" than against a zealous government with omnipotent authority to mess up my life. There is no prevailing ethical authority to keep them from intentionally destroying the lives of many people. They can do whatever they want yet nobody gets held accountable and there is no restitution for the victims. And if you think their reviewing public comments will alter their agenda, at best it may result in their changing strategy to get what they want.


"Liberal" is not a literal meaning. It means to liberally allow the government to rule everything. No thanks. I prefer that they leave me the hell alone. "I'm from the government and I am here to help." are scary words.

Re: EPA To Prohibit the Conversion of Street Cars into Race
 

Dwight...EPA was asking for feedback !!
Think that was a smart thing to do !

D

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Now....about that "needed park" where KCIR used to sit: nada, nothing, empty quite land, to "toxic" to develop it seems

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Perhaps you should look on the confusor for the hearing where the epa administrator was questioned about all of this.She didn't know how to answer the questions, looked like a gator staring into the headlights of a train.These actions and a lot of their other actions are illegal, just drip,drip drip until the pushback comes.A burmease python can eat a gator, it just takes a while.John Kissel

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Republican law makers are fighting this now, I don't see any Democrats mentioned in this article.

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2016/...g/?intcmp=hpff

Randy Wells

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EPA Administrator hearing? You mean the same administrator who stated that no EPA regulation has ever caused a single job to be lost in this country?

EPA is not going to show up at the drive-in on Saturday night and look under the hoods of every car built since 1967 to inspect for factory emissions. Typically they blackmail the states into enforcing their regs. Most states have emissions inspections for road vehicles because they were told they had to. We never thought DOT cops were going to chase down every guy with a pick up and a trailer with a lawn mower on it or hobby racers to check for compliance. But they do. Those are state employees.

Given the task of enforcing an EPA reg and the authority to do so as they see fit in order to satisfy the EPA's desired results or face the loss of federal funds, do we really believe that state enforcement people won't eventually find their way to car shows, drive ins, race tracks, etc.? Do we really think they won't eventually show up and start handing out fines, penalties, repair orders? Do you think they will not exploit the potential revenue source this represents? There are plenty of examples and precedents to demonstrate that they will.

EPA maintains that it is illegal for any vehicle, emissions certified for use on public roads which began in the late 60's, to have it's emission devices tampered with or removed. Congress specified that vehicles converted to off-road use ONLY, (i.e. race cars) be exempted and that is what a lot of this conversation seems to be focused on. EPA will probably accede that point. But that leaves a lot of older vehicles that are not dead nuts original and complete running around with tags on them. No one is talking about those. These vehicles, the parts and pieces sold for use on them and the companies that make those parts and pieces are what I'm most concerned about.