Re: What's up with NHRA logic?
 

Ok. let's see if I understand the situation.

Stock filled up at grade 2 (before grade 1 opened up). Since then some racers withdrew but since it filled up at grade 2, only grade 2 or higher can get in even though we are now in the grade 1 window.

I'd say that since we are now in the grade 1 window that grade 1 participants should be allowed. However, since it filled up at grade 2, it's only fair to allow other grade 2 racers to enter before opening it up to grade 1 racers.

The question is how long should the other grade 2 racers have to sign up (after the withdrawls). What if the withdrawls happened the day before the grade 1 date. That only gives other grade 2's a day to find out there is room and sign up before grade 1 racers get to enter.

For NHRA it is a lot easier to enforce the policy they have now because the scenario that I just described leaves room for subjectivity and will surely P someone else off that feels they did not have time to signup and NHRA took a lower grade before them, blah, blah, blah.

How's that for an answer.

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It still leaves the possibility of unused quota's and association members on the outside looking in. So in the interest of being fair, you wind up being unfair! All because there's no room to park!

Lew

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Lew - There is a way to avoid all of this - go to the Lucas races and enter the National events early .Follow that formula and you get to race ............And the parking - there is no easy fix as most tracks were built 30 to 50 years ago and they don't grow land .....

Re: What's up with NHRA logic?
 

They are the ones playing the game; the racers are the bat and ball.

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If you don't go to national events you don't have to put up with their BS. I haven't been to one since 2008 and haven't missed a thing. Between points races, Ihra races, opens and local combo races I can race between 12 to 15 weekends a year and that is all I want.

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Greg; We are in total agreement with you. If you do not like how nhra conducts business, then do not give them any of your money. We have even taken it a step further. My nhra membership has expired, and we will not renew until the car is back together and there is a race I want to go to.

Yes the rules are what they are, but a good business practice requires that you take care of the customer. The problem here is that in nhra's eyes we are not the customer, the fans in the seats are. We are nothing more than a source of working capital to cover accrued costs. This being the case, you would think that nhra ( the business) would do what it needs to do to maximize this source of capital. Re-open the class to the current grade point, and if the quota is not met lower the grade point. Proactive vs reactive vs nonactive. Our expectations should not be this high. Remember this is a management team who was going to sell and profit from a business that they did not own. This same business that allows them to set their own compensation with out question.

This thing brings to mind another business that followed the same thought process. I stopped giving them any of my bussiness. I don't know if they have any stores or outlets still open. I do know all the locations anywhere near where I live are all closed. Did you ever hear of Blockbuster Video

Jim Fitzpatrick
something/sa

Re: What's up with NHRA logic?
 

Sounds like I need to clarify a couple of things on here. I was not complaining about not getting into the Gators this year, I was complaining about the quotas. According to my first post on Page 1, post #5.
Tried to get into the Gators this year with only 1 grade point. Could not as grade 2 filled it up on Saturday, before the Wednesday deadline for grade 1's. called NHRA and was informed that if someone was to drop out, only grade 2 could get in as that's when it was filled. They had an 80 car field, while Super Comp was at 100, I don't get it. Now in Stock, it is down to 77, but I can't get in.

I was pointing out the quotas, the fact that I did not get in was explained to me by NHRA. Then Stock had withdrawals, it was like a joke, here is withdrawals and it didn't matter as I only had 1 grade point. I further explained myself on page 4, post #34 about the quotas.

Then I went on about the pitting at Gville, as some individuals on here so proudly defend as an excuse for lower quotas. Then I followed up with the lowering of entries as years progressed. Then I really complained about racing at 8:00 AM. And Yes I did whine and complain about how we are treated, and you know what, if you don't like it, I don't really care. I've been racing long enough to know about how we have been treated in the past and present, I know from on the scene "live" experiences. And don't give your crap about if you don't like go play else where. I race because of all the people that are there and the fun we have, I just don't like the upper brass taking away what I love. I also pointed out that fuel qualifying should be at night, can you disagree with that too.

Last year The Imperial Palace broke down on the way to the Gainesville Divisional so I could get my coveted grade point. I know that I need grade points to enter a national event, but sometimes thing happen. Couldn't get to SGMP the following 2 weeks, so I ended up with 1 GP.

I busted my butt to get there this year. Left Thursday AM and as fate would have it, noticed over heating 35 miles down the road, turned around for repairs. Left Friday AM, same thing only 10 miles up the road. Begged for a ride up there and Steve Hunt came to the rescue. Left Saturday 4:00 AM, got there, made 1 time trial, got beat in Rd 1, went home with tail between legs. At least I got 2 GP's for next year. Can't go to SGMP, getting repairs done. It's going to be fun getting in again next year.

So, as you can see I run NHRA divisionals for GP's. Must be tough on you D1 guys with having to have so many GP's to get into ETown, but your divisionals are alot closer distance wise. Gees, imagine the racers in the D6 on where their divisionals are.

I race NHRA & IHRA & SSSSA races, I race Stock Eliminator.

I also like IHRA's format of entry. Lets take a vote, how may racers out there want to send your money in a month early instead of at the gate. Guess you don't mind someone else getting interest holding your money. Lets take another vote, how many racers like racing at 8:00 AM instead of say 10:00 AM or even 9:00 AM.

Jack, you say staffing is an issue. If you have past data & statistics on a certain race from years of experience, then it should not be a problem. It is always better to be over staffed than under. I mean it's not like the employees are getting our entry fee as their hourly wage.

RacingRicki, NHRA said that only grade 2 can enter, period. There were no other options. So there are no other questions, that's your answer

We all understand why grade points are needed, it is the quotas that need to be addressed. Sorry I get a little excited now and then, no, no I'm not.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA you can't even buy a grade point

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Ron,

You have been to two divisionals this year and one last year, right? So shouldn't you have enough grade points to get in?

I always thought grade points earned were good for the same year also. I remember people in the past saying they needed to go to a few divisionals so they could get into a national a few months away.

So, if a person was just getting into stock this year, they couldn't run any national events until next year? That's not how I remember it working.


-Toby

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Right Toby. The way I have been told was the previous years grade points PLUS the grade points earned in the same year before the National Event requested. Your DD can help you also, they have sway! Jim;)


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Ready for this, I did not want to bring this up, but here is what went down.
Talked to DD at Orlando. Said that this years GP's apply to next years requirements. That if I averaged the last 3 years, 2-2-1, it would average to 5 divided by 3 = less than 2, since they round down it's only 1 GP. Told to contact Jennifer Gregg at NHRA. She informed me about the grade 2 situation upon the deadline. Saw the withdrawals and knew I could not get in, changed all the family plans, which is about 10 people. Decided to fully repair The Imperial Palace. Notice the other day that I had now 2 GP's from Orlando & Gville Divs. Knew they were for next year. Went into the national entry section and it allows me to enter the gators now because I have 2 GP's. WHAT! Too late, all plans were changed. From now on I will only trust what I read upon reading the grade point system as described in the grade point window, which only shows if you have a grade point. It is only updated after about a 2 week period after you renew your membership and Comp #. Before that I could not view such information. This has been an adventure. Sure wish I could have just entered at the gate.

So I am out this year, but maybe next year. I really like racing or I wouldn't put myself through this nonsense.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA not overjoyed