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Alan Roehrich 05-10-2011 09:36 AM
Re: Want to loose 3200 ugly pounds?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cutta (Post 257679)
Here's some food for thought for those concerned about the safety of stock cars on 9inch tires.

There is currently a new outlaw power adder class that is receiving tons of popularity called Outlaw 8.5. These cars run on 26x8.5 slicks and run well over a 140mph in the 1/8th with over 1500hp. To my surprise, I've yet to here of any catastrophic wrecks or incidents due to the small tire. Most stock cars down make anywhere near 1500HP and if these style cars with power adders can get safely down the track, one could reason that stock cars could and should be able do the same in a more safe manner since stockers are allowed a better slick than a 26x8.5. Yes I know I have no stake in the argument, but tire technology is light years from where it used to be and are much more safe than people realize.

10.5inch slicks have been well over 200mph

12inch slicks have been well over 240mph

there's plenty of room left before any stock car reaches the 9inch slicks safety threshold in my opinion.
I've been watching the small tire cars for years. The rate of crashes compared to Stock Eliminator is astounding.

A lot of things appear safe, when everything goes well. The problem with racing is that fairly often, everything doesn't go well. just because you can get away with something for a while, doesn't mean it is relatively safe, nor does it mean that it is a good idea. The law of averages WILL eventually catch up to you, and the result usually is not pretty. I'd prefer not to be the one taken along for the ride when it catches up with whoever happens to be the next victim. I figure it'd cost well over $50K to replace any car we race, if we did all the work ourselves, closer to $100K if we farmed it out. The drivers are all married with families, those are a little more difficult to replace.

If we wanted to be racing the small tire outlaw classes, we'd build small tire outlaw cars. There's a reason we race Stock and Super Stock.

Jeff Teuton 05-10-2011 09:43 AM
Re: Want to loose 3200 ugly pounds?
 
My proposal creates new classes, nothing more, as a natural resting place for the cars to go. I'm not 'putting the new cars there', but letting them have a place to go instead of heavy. With that availability I think the movement would speed up as opposed to 1000' ft racing. But remember the heads up last year in AA/SA between DeFrank and Stahl, both in the 9.70's, both old cars, so those guys ain't goin away easy anyway.

Alan Warman 05-10-2011 11:22 AM
Re: Want to loose 3200 ugly pounds?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cutta (Post 257679)
Here's some food for thought for those concerned about the safety of stock cars on 9inch tires.

There is currently a new outlaw power adder class that is receiving tons of popularity called Outlaw 8.5. These cars run on 26x8.5 slicks and run well over a 140mph in the 1/8th with over 1500hp. To my surprise, I've yet to here of any catastrophic wrecks or incidents due to the small tire. Most stock cars down make anywhere near 1500HP and if these style cars with power adders can get safely down the track, one could reason that stock cars could and should be able do the same in a more safe manner since stockers are allowed a better slick than a 26x8.5. Yes I know I have no stake in the argument, but tire technology is light years from where it used to be and are much more safe than people realize.

10.5inch slicks have been well over 200mph

12inch slicks have been well over 240mph

there's plenty of room left before any stock car reaches the 9inch slicks safety threshold in my opinion.
Go to yellowbullet.com and see how many of theses car's hit the wall each weekend. They have not taken each other out yet, but it will happen just like Alan said. And you can not even compare this type of car with a stocker. Just look under one of them no stock suspension. If you took out the MSD box they would not even make it down the track.

Jeff Teuton 05-10-2011 12:04 PM
Re: Want to loose 3200 ugly pounds?
 
Hell, I hit the wall in Houston. Just goes to show what driver error can do at any speed. The car was fine. There is no cure for driver error, plum stupidity, senior moments and the such. I tried beer, but that didn't work and neither did a martini or two. Anybody got a cure?

cutta 05-10-2011 12:14 PM
Re: Want to loose 3200 ugly pounds?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Warman (Post 257714)
Go to yellowbullet.com and see how many of theses car's hit the wall each weekend. They have not taken each other out yet, but it will happen just like Alan said. And you can not even compare this type of car with a stocker. Just look under one of them no stock suspension. If you took out the MSD box they would not even make it down the track.
Well I will just say this, I believe the 9inch tires that stock cars run on is enough to handle the current horsepower levels of stock cars new and old. And I am in no way trying to say that stock cars are outlaw cars, they are very different in many ways. I think that if the chassis cert is there, the cars will be plenty stable enough to run well. The gist of my statement was to indicate the tires capability.

Alan Roehrich 05-10-2011 12:23 PM
Re: Want to loose 3200 ugly pounds?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cutta (Post 257725)
Well I will just say this, I believe the 9inch tires that stock cars run on is enough to handle the current horsepower levels of stock cars new and old. And I am in no way trying to say that stock cars are outlaw cars, they are very different in many ways. I think that if the chassis cert is there, the cars will be plenty stable enough to run well. The gist of my statement was to indicate the tires capability.
You completely ignore the fundamentals of how Stock suspension stuff works. It has nothing to do with chassis certification, that's merely the type of cage, as well as how well it is fabricated and welded. It's the suspension and handling that will be the problem. And you might want to call Hoosier and Goodyear, and ask them if the lightweight 9" radial slick is really designed to run 150+ with a 3400#+ car, and stock type suspension.

Jack McCarthy 05-10-2011 12:33 PM
Re: Want to loose 3200 ugly pounds?
 
jeff, here are my concerns

if they are still part of stock then i will be racing cars going 150 mph ?

if they seperate you into a new class SFX (stock factory experimental) then lets get it done ... it will be too cool !
> and SFX rules could include 10.5 tires and functional chutes !

jack

of course you wont become a pro-sportsman snob and rescind your "my cooler is your cooler" racing philosophy once you become the SFX kingpin will you ???

Richard Grant 05-10-2011 01:20 PM
Re: Want to loose 3200 ugly pounds?
 
This reminds me of the story of how to boil a frog. The story is if you place a frog into boiling water he will just jump out, however if you warm it slowly he will eventually boil to death.
NHRA started the water boiling by allowing Super Stock cars into stock. So now they want new stock classes, next it's bigger tires, 4 link suspensions, factory installed trans brakes, factory installed delay boxes, eliminate the slower cars because it's unsafe to pass a 90mph car at 150 plus. I think I can feel the water getting hotter.

Larry Hill 05-10-2011 01:46 PM
Re: Want to loose 3200 ugly pounds?
 
Richard all cars that are drive by wire {Ford} can have traction control.

junior barns 05-10-2011 02:11 PM
Re: Want to loose 3200 ugly pounds?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry Hill (Post 257749)
Richard all cars that are drive by wire {Ford} can have traction control.
Oh Larry, there you go again!!


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