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I'll be getting the 13" V2 Competition wheels to match the pair on the back. They're about 10lbs. Silver ones are currently backordered, but hopefully available in the next couple weeks.

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Chip and Charlie
I think I can give you a little insight on what a state of art super gas car vs a class car cost, Justin SG 68 Camaro roadster by the time you get it race ready with buying the roller lightly used, with a all alum 632, all top shelf parts and will have cost $68000. It will run 9.90@166 or so and high 7s all out and has won 3 nationals so I would say it is a competitive super gas car.
Put a new Racetech 245 swing-arm dragster together middle of last year when it is all said and done with a Madcap 572, nitros, top shelf trans and convertor, Mark Williams brakes, axles, Aeromotive fuel system, Racepak dash all good parts and you are talking about 60k.
We also have a Super Stock Colbalt and the chassis alone was more than either one of those cars. But you are talking about a car that can also be quite competitive in comp also. We had previously had a 1984 Chevy Camaro that we ran in ss/bs and I sold it turnkey for $30000 with a fresh engine that would run 80 under.
As for pump gas, we do not have anything that has ever run on pump gas.
Which is more Fun?
Running the Cobalt in Comp, nothing like trying to go as fast as possiable every run.
Which is the hardest?
Super Comp everyone is so close on the tree and most everyone out west has really good quality cars in super comp.
Which is most frustrating?
Running the Colbalt in comp, Justin can do everything right and still be in the 2n or 3rd round with no chance of winning, you have to depend on the outcome of other races alot in comp.
Justin has also had the chance to drive this year a CJ Mustang thanks to Rodger and he says it just might be the prefect super stock car, low maintence, smooth, fast, and if you look at the cost of buying/building a top 20 qualf. super stocker by the time you get engine, chassis and eveything needed it would be close to the same price and you will need to have the engine serviced every 70 to 100 runs compared to a CJ every 5000 miles.
As for the low car count in stock and super stock compared to the index classes I think alot of it might be that it seems that there seems to be more fun to be had in index racing, the 8.90/9.90 racers seem to welcome new competition were it seems that in stock/super stock no one talks to outsiders. Maybe the stock/super stock racers needs to start taking some time and visiting with the local bracket racers and junior racers and get then interested in class racing.
Chris Lamb

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Chris,

The only thing I know about that CJ of yours is it's LOUD! I was down there taking video right next to it in the water box and I thought it broke the microphone. I had to get some earplugs after that. :)


-Toby

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Chris,
Thanks for the post. It's all expensive. A top 10 car in either class is costly and especially in SS costly to maintain.

A funny story: A few years ago in my last attempt in a stocker. Bill Plage told me you have a stocker again and can park with us. I told him I may park with ya'll "CLASSY RACERS" but I'll hang with the .90 racers they know how to have fun.
LOL
Chip

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"As for the low car count in stock and super stock compared to the index classes I think alot of it might be that it seems that there seems to be more fun to be had in index racing, the 8.90/9.90 racers seem to welcome new competition were it seems that in stock/super stock no one talks to outsiders. Maybe the stock/super stock racers needs to start taking some time and visiting with the local bracket racers and junior racers and get then interested in class racing.
Chris Lamb"

Chris, not every young bracket racer or "junior" has the assets to race a 60K+ .90 car and either Super Street or a lower class stocker is actually a better venue for someone getting started. My personal experience after decades of brackets and just getting a stocker a year ago has been that stock/super stock racers are equally willing to help with questions. Think it is in all our best interests to cultivate new racers in class racing including .90 classes or the ultra affordable Unleashed classes will be the only game in town.

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Jim,
My first year in Stock very few racers were willing to help/share advise.
My second year of stock more came around. Later they were asking me for advise.LOL
There were still some very secretive racers out there in S/SS.
Chip Johnson

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And not that way with .90 racers? Really? My experience is people are people, no matter what they race.

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Well, one example of the 90's friendlyness=
My son has won several world championships in IHRA....He has always helped his fellow racers on throttle-stop set-ups and help dial a lot of the 90 cars. In a lot of instances he has been beaten by those same racers that he has helped. A lot of racers call him all the time with questions and advise and he has never refused to help...... Now as for s/ss I understand a racer not wanting to tell you every little trick as i respect the fact that they have worked long and hard on their combos. I have had a lot of help from racers on this forum with my stocker.I have been working on my combo for about 4 years now and with some of you guys help and a little trial and error i have been able to get my car to about 85 under so far..As money will allow i will do more and get it faster. I would like to thank those who have helped me on here (you know who you are )....Sorry about the long letter here....

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Toby, yes it is very loud

Jim you are right, we started with a super street car and then after Justin turned 16 we bought him a used 4 link dragster and he did quite good in it and started to win a make a little name for himself but if it was not for a chance metting at a rest area on the way from Denver to Seattle with Phil Montith? and the time he took to explain stock and super stock racing to us and him convincing Justin that his talents would fit those classes the best I am sure we would be in Top Dragster/Top Sportman today. That is all I am trying to say and the funny thing is it seem that the more sucessful the stock/super stock racer is the more he is willing to befriend the new comers. Peter and Sal Biondo,Jim and Jimmy Defrank, Kyle Siepel, Jody and Tody Lang and other national event winners and national champs all took time to talk and help Justin when they did not even know him. So imagine if every stock and super stock racer took some time to explain to the other racers how much fun and challenging class racing is. We started in super stock with a $20000 camaro and the 1st used dragster we bought was $20000 so i would think it is comparable in start-up cost, and we held our own with that car.

Chris

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Art, can't racers enter/pay at gate for Sportsnational events?