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Chuck Rayburn 10-06-2010 05:39 PM

Re: Consensus By Professional Engine Builders
 
Larry,
Let's do a simple physics example. If you take the weight of one of the faster A/SA cars and divide it into its known flywheel horsepower, you get a weight to flywheel horsepower ratio. In order to level the playing field, this ratio should be applied to the new/unknown combo. For example, if the fastest 426 Max wedge goes across the scales at 3500lbs. and makes 630 hp at the flywheel, you get a ratio of 5.55. If you want to get a ball park "level playing field" weight of the new car combo, you multiply the known ratio by the known flywheel horsepower and you get the "level playing field" weight. If the new car makes (this is a conservative estimate) 750hp, the "level playing field" weight comes out to 4160 lbs. It appears that the new cars in A/SA are a bit light in the weight department.
I have to ask, do you think these guys are going to be able to control the mix of ego and adrenaline when they get to the track? If I owned one of these new "smart cars", I'd be lobbying NHRA for a FX type category...by the time their egos get done with them, those cars will be 4000 lbs. by this time next year. Like you said, the laws of physics don't change.

Robert Swartz 10-06-2010 05:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 215028)
And to think you NHRA racers used to complain about the IHRA "Crate Motored" cars..........LOL. At least they ALWAYS ran from the very begining in their own class and off their own index's and they havent invaded Super Stock. .

Yep, since NHRA won't adopt this class. I'll probably never again race at Indianapolis. Which is only 30 miles or so north of my home. Sure bet I'll never grace the field at the points meet or the US Nationals again.

Robert Swartz

RPinoski1 10-06-2010 07:25 PM

Re: Consensus By Professional Engine Builders
 
Hey Tommy Boy!

You didn't mention that Jimmy D has a mustang.

paul 10-07-2010 04:16 PM

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So i guess someone should have told John Armstrong not to bother showing up for class at the US Nationals with his 1969 SS/AA corvette since he could only qualify third in that class behind two of the new cars. Oops wait a minute he did win class!!! I guess thats why we race on the track and not on paper!!

Mike Fahie

Dgal 10-07-2010 04:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by paul (Post 215244)
So i guess someone should have told John Armstrong not to bother showing up for class at the US Nationals with his 1969 SS/AA corvette since he could only qualify third in that class behind two of the new cars. Oops wait a minute he did win class!!! I guess thats why we race on the track and not on paper!!

Mike Fahie

You are absolutely correct! But there is more to the story and paper didn't apply in your example. Downing looked like he broke according to DRC and Hopkins went red by .005 against Armstrong. By the way Hopkins ran a 8.601 @ 155.97 to Armstrong's 8.836 @ 150.25.

Don

Larry Hill 10-10-2010 10:40 AM

Re: Consensus By Professional Engine Builders
 
Does any one think any B/SA car with a carb or carbs, or LT1, LS1 can run 135 mph or a 9.80 ET.

I bet Dottie "THINKS" she can.

"It's been so wrong for too long" Unknown

Bruce Noland 10-10-2010 10:59 AM

Re: Consensus By Professional Engine Builders
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by paul (Post 215244)
So i guess someone should have told John Armstrong not to bother showing up for class at the US Nationals with his 1969 SS/AA corvette since he could only qualify third in that class behind two of the new cars. Oops wait a minute he did win class!!! I guess thats why we race on the track and not on paper!!

Mike Fahie

Yes he won, but it was a complete fluke. Both of the new cars in the class had starting line issues and the crowd went wild when they lost. But, just like you, we all knew the truth and so did John. I spoke to him at Indy.

Alan Roehrich 10-10-2010 11:03 AM

Re: Consensus By Professional Engine Builders
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Hill (Post 215561)
Does any one think any B/SA car with a carb or carbs, or LT1, LS1 can run 135 mph or a 9.80 ET.

I bet Dottie "THINKS" she can.

"It's been so wrong for too long" Unknown


Remember when a B car that ran ten-teens was a bad ride? :eek:

FINESPLINE 10-10-2010 11:49 AM

Re: Consensus By Professional Engine Builders
 
Allen, Great article you did on competitionplus. Glad to see some people are working on solving the problems with the the NHRA factoring system . I hope your time and effort are appreciated by the other racers.---John

Bob Pagano 10-10-2010 12:46 PM

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Good job Alan, what I would like to know is what happened at the big meeting at the Grove that were to have S & SS racers evolved in the discussion ? Did it take place or was it more smoke from nhra? Anybody ?


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