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I shouldn't care but this might lead to the dodges! LOL!

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There is no way that that should be a legal modifiaction on any supercharged entry. With more and more of these serpentine belt driven superchargers being used by the OEM's the NHRA needs to clearly state it's position. I feel that a boost enhancement of this kind is way outside of the spirit of the class.

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And THAT I will agree with! Any supercharged car that is not running factory pullies should be bounced. (once the rules are changed and pully #'s are published) This would pertain to ALL supercharged cars not a SINGLED OUT one.

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Bruce,

I have stated before, and I fully agree, that the CJs are under-rated. My gripe is with the people who post without knowing the facts. This bothers me whether it is on the CJ topic or any other. Why would anyone want to come on here and make a post when they are dead wrong? It's not that hard, especially using the Internet, to do a little research and inform yourself so you can make an educated post that has some accurate facts. Why is that so difficult? I didn't mean to thrash Jim, but in my humble opinion, Jim should do his homework if he is going to chime in on a hotly debated topic. You don't hear me saying I heard this from this guys and that from another. Produce your facts and name your source!

The fact is, under-rating engines has been going on since the inception of Stock-class racing and Ford or anyone else doesn't owe it to anyone to publish real hp figures. I don't see any other racer or manufacturer doing this so why should Ford? Even if they did show you, what would that change? Do the math, these things can make more than they are showing. Everyone knows this, so who cares if it is 650, 750 or 850?

I was only hammering away because I am sick of BS posts with people speculating and/or announcing inaccurate facts. In my business we deal with proven fact. If I did my job with the accuracy of many folks posting on here I'd be fired in 10 minutes flat!

Like I said, i'd be pissed if the CJ ran in my class, but it is out there and there is nothing anyone can do accept go race them as hard as you can. If NHRA screwed up then take it up with them. I respect your opinion, but don't feel Ford, me, or anyone else should publish hp numbers.

Bruce, I obviously am tied in with Ford, but it's not like anyone gave me a CJ. Take a look at my magazine, we've modified many GT500s (similar engine) so anyone can see the potential of this combination just by doing some research. If you noticed I've only chimmed in when inaccurate facts have been posted. I've stated my opinion that the cars are under-rated, so I agree with you. But so are many other combos that are under-rated, too. If Ford slipped one past NHRA, well it is not the first time and it won't be the last.

Evan

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Evan,
99% of us are not journalists. We're just a bunch of old guys bench racing.

Sounds like your are comfortable with your position. Good luck.

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Bruce,

I am quite comfortable. I know, just like everyone else, that the CJ is under-rated, but I am not NHRA. What should I do? You have made your point clear, I have come on when facts about the CJ are wrong. Why does that bother you? I have not promoted it, just cleared up fact.

You will soon have a dog in the fight and I wouldn't be happy either. The LT-1 and LS ruled the roost for years, why is this so different? The guys I feel bad for are the ones that are too far over-rated, like the Hemi and the B-Body 440-6.

Funny how I have asked a bunch of questions regarding this topic and not once has anyone had an answer.

I am sorry for slamming Jim, but you don't have to be a journalist to come on here and post things that are accurate. I guess you don't mind this since the CJ was the topic and anything that stirs the pot is good, right? But if you come on and post junk then expect to be called on it. Is it so hard to do a little homework before you start slamming keys?



Evan

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Evan,
I don't think Jim was trying to stir the pot. If anything it looked like he was supporting the Ford guys. He may have gotten the pulley deal a little messed up but that is no federal offense. I'm not for stirring the pot any more than I have to. But, then again, this is not your average, run of the mill, let's stick a car into Stock deal.

We'll know more in a couple of weeks. Good luck.

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Did you really type that????????

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Ok, Evan. Here is where I was wrong. The supercharger drive pulley is a ribbed serpentine device of certain diameter. I don't know what diameter, do you? I did say "number of teeth". I knew after I read the post I was wrong but I figured everyone would know what I meant. I was wrong there also. Forgive me I guess I am still a little old school. Where I am NOT wrong and I would be willing to bet you on is that NHRA will soon come out and make it known that the stock pulley of the correct diameter and part number must be used. Now you asked me to name names. OK, here goes. When NHRA almost dissolved the FWD classes 3 years ago I was deeply involved in it's restructuring. This is widely known among the FWD guys. While working on the restructuring I spoke with many of the "upper crust" of the organization. Among other things, we decided the AF/S class weight break should be a 13lb. class and alow the newer FWD cars coming out of Detroit a place to compete. Cars such as the SRT4 Neon, SS Cobalt, Pontiac GTP and even a couple of imports. One disussion with Len Imbrogno turned to the fact that the SS Cobalt was supercharged. I asked if they (NHRA) were going to regulate the superchargers or just let the AHFS take it's course. Len informed me that Gracia had told him the president on that was set years ago (around 1957) with the supercharged Fords and Studebakers. Now granted this was a few years ago, but I would be willing to bet that he hasn't changed his opinion. Wanna bet? Now this sounds to me as reliable a source as any one you or anybody here has at this time. I'm sure you have his phone number, if not, contact me and I'll give you his cell number. I think it's great the Fords are out and running. Can't wait for the Mopars to hit the track. Oh, and no disrespect taken. I realize you do have a dog in this fight, I don't. Peace my friend. Jim

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Thanks Bruce, you are correct. No pot stirring going on this time, just sharing some information pertinent to the subject! Jim