Originally Posted by Signman (Post 415080)

The amount of people who occupy the stands at a given sporting event is dependent on local culture and available entertainment choices.

Originally Posted by randy wilson (Post 415104)

Ok Joe. It's a long story, but I'll do my best to explain. Dusternash is the mouth piece of the competition. He NEVER EVER ran against us. He ran the heads-up trophy class with an 8 second car. I ain't slamming his car, just his motives. They just told him what to post, and he posted it. At Bethany, with the runs he is talking about, the spec motor they ran, ran 6.44 best, at 104 mph. at 11.5 lbs. per cube. He carried a 150 lb. penalty for running a clutchless, and dry sump against our clutch assisted, and wet sump. I doubt the motor had 550 HP. We ran at 11 lbs. per cube, and ran 6.29 at 109.67 best, and we actually dynoed that engine, and had 592 HP. Go figure. Then some of my adversaries decided to talk Eddyville into running "Their" rules of any head, any trans, any oil system, with computers, and all the bells and whistles, and no wt breaks, and dared us to compete under "their" rules. We abliged, with a dart\buick, and proceeded to kick their butts again. The fastest I seen them go at Eddyville, was 6.09 at 109 at 10.5 lbs. per cube with a 15 degree. We went 5.85, 120 mph at 10.5 lbs. per cube. We never were beat by them and they ran the scales, and all legality's. And we only had a shade over 700 HP. If they ever ran a 5 I never seen it, and would doubt the car would weigh right, but who knows. And that, my friend, is the caliber of racers I had to deal with. Some were great, such as Rick Parrot, Steve Bridger, etc, but a few can ruin it for many. In fact after running a couple of times at Eddyville, Steve Thompson, our driver, posted on facebook, "Different track, different tech guys, different rules, Same damn results." Go figure.

Originally Posted by randy wilson (Post 415119)

Joe, you're dealing with someone who wouldn't know a real race car if it ran over him. You've won more rounds in one night, then he has in his career, and I don't even know you. Don't let it bother you, I've dealt with him, aunt Edna, and the Brady sisters for years. You learn to just roll with the punches.

Originally Posted by randy wilson (Post 415189)

I don't believe they will allow the RHS head in, but who knows. RHS quit making them anyway in cast iron. But that goes back to my point. Why spend $10,000 on an induction system, just to have it outdated at a whim. You're making my point for me. There's always a head from one manufacturer, going back and forth from manufacturers, that has an advantage. The Brodix head fixes that. Why is that so hard for them to understand? What's the valve angle on the Ford head, and W2?

Originally Posted by ssdiv6 (Post 415184)

i would love to see such class be developed; nevertheless, even if there if a spec cylinder head, i believe nhra would not be interested monitoring them.

Originally Posted by randy wilson (Post 415189)

What's the valve angle on the Ford head, and W2?

Originally Posted by randy wilson (Post 415231)

Well, if true, all GM cars in SS\CS prepare to change heads. For a small update price of, say $13,000 to $18,000 dollars with intakes, heads, valves, pistons, cams, etc. And then get ready for the next step. Allowing aluminum heads in. Then for the small fee of $15,000 you can compete again! Ain't it grand! Should work out REAL GOOD!!!

Originally Posted by Ron E (Post 415216)

The 351N is 10°. W2's are 18°. There were some 15° W2's made,but are extremely rare.

oops, I missed your reply SSDiv6. But, on the possible head rule changes allowing a 14° Pro Action head in SS/CS. If the NHRA wants it to become a 1 brand class, that will do it.

Originally Posted by randy wilson (Post 415260)

Just curious. Why the 10 degree valve angle on the Ford, and the 15 degree valve angle on the Mopar? Thought they were 20 degree, and 18 degree respectively. I believe the vortec bowtie is still 23 degree.

Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 415263)

The world has changed and here in the good old USA, we have too many that are on the entitlement line with the same crowd thinking everybody should be equal, life should be fair with no winners. More importantly to this discussion, we are no longer a car culture and all drag racing is on life support now, there are no new drivers in any great numbers building class cars to go drag racing and I would think bracket racing is seeing the majority of the few new drivers giving it a try. NHRA without question would have no interest in another spec class. So other than some local, maybe regional interest from a small group of old guys that have the coin to burn building a car for a class that has no appeal to the sanctioning body, track owners or fans our focus should be on promoting what we have/what we do. IMO, if the NHRA adds any class it should be a 10.5 class. This would put more fans in the seats which is what it was always about. Without that drag racing's future for my son's generation doesn't look promising.

Originally Posted by joespanova (Post 415273)

apparently there's new blood in there all the time........at least based on the web sites I occasionaly roam thru.
There is still plenty of interest in drag racing , considering the world we live in today and smart heads could exploit it.

Originally Posted by randy wilson (Post 415271)

Good point on the heads SS. Was just curious was all. Not trying to stir anything up. Manns was an animal with the vortec, bowtie deal. I'll hand him that. But, at this rate, his stuff is already obsolete. My point again. Any manufacturer can keep producing a dominate head. So what? Proves nothing. Everyone playing on the exact same plane, proves a lot. There again, what's to stop GM or any others producing a killer head in cast iron, and peeing in everyone's post toasties?

Originally Posted by joespanova (Post 415300)

Well Ed , I guess its safe to say drag racing will probably endure for the remainder of our productive lives and as long as we have a place to play as long as we're interested , I suppose thats all that really matters in the end any way , after we go.....who cares......:D

Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 415308)

Joe I suspect that is exactly the attitude the NHRA's board of directors have.;)