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Re: Jerry Emmons speaks his mind

Rule needs to change period. Starters discretion? So spend your hard earned money and he will tell you how your driving style should be based on "HIS" interpretation??
It sounds like it to me!

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However, immediate discretionary calls are common in all kinds of sports. Standards and clear rules are necessary, and an official should be at the place of action. Maybe we need a line judge and instant replay? The nature of such sports related calls always makes for controversy. This is a good time to review rules, process and procedure.

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the fact remains NHRA needs to clarify and put it into black and white exactly what is and what isn't excessive braking.

It IS in black and white. The rule specifically states:

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Section 2, Page 8
Disqualifications:
Anytime it has been judged that excessive braking has resulted in loss of control that results in contact with the guardwall and/or light fixtures or crossing the center boundary lines, INCLUDING PAST THE FINISH LINE, the contestant will be disqualified.

The only 'discretion' involved in this rule is determining whether or not a vehicle hit something or crossed the centerline. Period. It is completely unambiguous.

On the recent WFO Podcast, Division Director Mike Rice quoted the rule and then went on to say he thinks it should say or mean something else. While I agree that the rule does not go far enough, it does not matter what I think or Mike Rice thinks, or anyone else. The rule says what it says. If NHRA does not like what the rule says, then they should change the rule.

If NHRA's rule read the same as IHRA's rule on the subject, they *might* have a leg to stand on. Under "Grounds For Disqualifications", it states:

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Excessive braking in handicap eliminators that causes loss of control. If only tire smoke is obvious, a warning may be issued for first offense. This is at the discretion of race director.

There are runs that Emmons made that *might* have warranted a warning. The run that he was ultimately DQ'd for should not have even warranted a warning, in my opinion.

As I have said before, In my personal opinion, NHRA's rule doesn't go far enough, and NHRA's ruling went too far! There is a LOT of space between the two. They either need to rewrite the rule and start DQ'ing a LOT of drivers this year, or apologize and make amends with Mr. Emmons.

There is a completely separate issue here that is being largely ignored. There is a problem with Emmon's car, and he is aware of it. On the WFO Podcast, he said that after one of the runs where it smoked the tires and got sideways on him, they took all the wheels off the car and had the brakes inspected by a well-known chassis builder. While they did not find an obvious issue, the car continues to not stop the way they would like it to. When Thomas Fletcher had his dramatic 360 spin a couple of years ago, Dan inspected the car and found a problem with the brakes, and fixed it.

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The video shows he rolled down the window in the shutdown area and waved his hand out the window (safety no no). Thats something I got the never do that again speech for ... Any how good driving , maybe hold alittle less ...

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Again, not putting forth my opinion, because I wasn't there.
Video? I've had two people say it looks like Emmons' back wheel comes off the ground.
I did see the video of round two. I wonder if some of you did?

We know that he received a warning after that one.
We know that ,in the fourth round, he was down 10 mph and still ran .02 under the dial.

The starter says he saw an unsafe movement of the car , from his vantage point.
They have to be able to make a discretionary call when it comes to safety issues, in MY opinion.
Should NHRA have said..well, he didn't hit the wall, or the other car, so let's wait until maybe he does? Can you imagine the liability on that one?

Yes, I like the IHRA rule much better.

No, I don't think there was a vast West Coast conspiracy here.

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There is one thing we all can agree on, "Excessive" braking is a bad thing. We have all seen crashes resulting from excessive braking.
I have spent quite a bit of time researching this story. I've looked at the NHRA All-Access video. This is truly a case of an official making up for a missed call on an earlier incident. Just like in baseball, where the umpire calls a ball instead of a strike on one pitch, then evens up the count on the next pitch, regardless of where the ball is thrown.
In R1 Jerry smoked the front tires at the stripe. In R2 he got the car turned sideways so hard the announcer comments about seeing both sides of the car at the stripe. R3 there was no mention or clear video evidence of anything unusual happening at the stripe. In R4 Jerry is DQ'ed. This is really a bad decision (for R4) because it probably should've happened in R1 or R2. I say a bad decision because it changes how eliminations continue with the wrong person not being able to continue. Everything is messed up, points, money etc.
Now Jerry says that he won't let NHRA dictate how to drive his race car. Now we have a challenge, NHRA says one thing, Jerry says another. I wonder who will prevail? I believe NHRA will begin a big push to enforce their rule about "unsafe driving. It needs to be done, and done equally.

Dan Foley
SC4698

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Originally Posted by Michael Beard (Post 529303)

It IS in black and white. The rule specifically states:

The only 'discretion' involved in this rule is determining whether or not a vehicle hit something or crossed the centerline. Period. It is completely unambiguous.

On the recent WFO Podcast, Division Director Mike Rice quoted the rule and then went on to say he thinks it should say or mean something else. While I agree that the rule does not go far enough, it does not matter what I think or Mike Rice thinks, or anyone else. The rule says what it says. If NHRA does not like what the rule says, then they should change the rule.

If NHRA's rule read the same as IHRA's rule on the subject, they *might* have a leg to stand on. Under "Grounds For Disqualifications", it states:

There are runs that Emmons made that *might* have warranted a warning. The run that he was ultimately DQ'd for should not have even warranted a warning, in my opinion.

As I have said before, In my personal opinion, NHRA's rule doesn't go far enough, and NHRA's ruling went too far! There is a LOT of space between the two. They either need to rewrite the rule and start DQ'ing a LOT of drivers this year, or apologize and make amends with Mr. Emmons.

There is a completely separate issue here that is being largely ignored. There is a problem with Emmon's car, and he is aware of it. On the WFO Podcast, he said that after one of the runs where it smoked the tires and got sideways on him, they took all the wheels off the car and had the brakes inspected by a well-known chassis builder. While they did not find an obvious issue, the car continues to not stop the way they would like it to. When Thomas Fletcher had his dramatic 360 spin a couple of years ago, Dan inspected the car and found a problem with the brakes, and fixed it.

I think you brought up the relevant issue here Michael! Not sure what the brake issue was with the Camaro at Epping, but it might be the same with the Emmon's Camaro. I seem to recall that there were some warning signs with that other stocker also. Maybe they should reach out to Dan. The sound of that 360 was very sobering out in the pits right next to the finish line.......the tire marks on the track maybe even more so.

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Originally Posted by Michael Beard (Post 529303)

Let me clarify. If NHRA wants to make a ruling in a case such as this based off of skid marks seen on the track OR based off of tire smoke coming from the front tires, then they need to clarify the rule and include that. I agree that what was done in no way violates the rule as written, and I can see where he would be mighty P-O'd about being DQ'd per the rule as written. My point being is if NHRA want to make a ruling on this how the did, then they need to amend the rule at the same time. That's all I was trying to say.

And I agree that sometimes its excessive braking because the driver stomped two feet on the pedal and tried to throw the car in park, and sometimes things happen because of mechanical issues and that can cause the car to wiggle, premature lock up the tires, etc. I would hope that if it's a mechanical issue NHRA would make up for it somehow, but it is NHRA after all.

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It appears to me that racers are dialing soft with the full intension of hitting the breaks at the end of the run. If that is the plan then plan on getting tossed. They should dial closer to what they can run so this is not an issue. They know what their car will run.

Dan

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That is how it works Dan with the top notch drivers.