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BlueOval Ralph 10-14-2010 10:30 AM

Re: Best 4-Speed SS Of All Time?
 
Hutchens, Kopp, Coonce, FJ, Fadely, Merc, Dave Lewis, Tim McDonald, Jerry Hiner, Scot Scharioff, Ray Allen and

Wes McCracken 10-14-2010 11:06 AM

Re: Best 4-Speed SS Of All Time?
 
Dave Strickler

Jerry Hatch 10-14-2010 11:14 AM

Re: Best 4-Speed SS Of All Time?
 
I sincerely believe Ronny Sox should occupy that position. Granted we have some great current day gear jammers, and I wouldn't take anything away from them. Something that should be considered in comparison is the equipment used. Sox, Landy, etc. had only factory cases with self modified internals (sliders/every other tooth ground off, modified shifting forks etc.) They had no Jerico or G-Force technoligy. Clutches back the were primitive by today's standards as well (3,200 + # pressure plates). How many of today's drivers could keep up without missing gears with that old stuff? Just askin and mean no disrespect.

Bob Pagano 10-14-2010 11:16 AM

Re: Best 4-Speed SS Of All Time?
 
You have to give the nod to the old guys, no comparison in the transmissions of today verses the old. Sox, Nicholson, McCandless, Leal and Jenkins.

X-TECH MAN 10-14-2010 11:25 AM

Re: Best 4-Speed SS Of All Time?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wes McCracken (Post 216293)
Dave Strickler

X 2 along with Sox. Two of the best who ever lived. Shifting todays modern trans is no comparison to the OEM trans of the old days.

G Schenck 10-14-2010 11:44 AM

Re: Best 4-Speed SS Of All Time?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerry Hatch (Post 216294)
I sincerely believe Ronny Sox should occupy that position. Granted we have some great current day gear jammers, and I wouldn't take anything away from them. Something that should be considered in comparison is the equipment used. Sox, Landy, etc. had only factory cases with self modified internals (sliders/every other tooth ground off, modified shifting forks etc.) They had no Jerico or G-Force technoligy. Clutches back the were primitive by today's standards as well (3,200 + # pressure plates). How many of today's drivers could keep up without missing gears with that old stuff? Just askin and mean no disrespect.

Very well said.

John Duzac and Ben Wenzel could tell you the difference. I wouldn't go to a race without 3 fresh transmissions. Those three speeds were junk.

As far as pulling them, I would like to name Jake Fojt or Randy Heer.

Greg

chris3racing 10-14-2010 11:49 AM

Re: Best 4-Speed SS Of All Time?
 
Jerry you have "junior member" under your name, but you are exactly correct. I remember untold hours grinding slider gears, rings and welding shifter linkage ears to make those Muncies shift. Those days were before Dick Moroso started selling them at the tracks or the Borg Warners came out. Ever see the old in-car videos that are out that show Sox, Grumpy and Landy pushing and jerking those of 4-speeds.

Jared Jordan 10-14-2010 01:11 PM

Re: Best 4-Speed SS Of All Time?
 
I'm not as old as most of you guys, so I'm going to go with the two 4-speeds I remember best growing up at the track:

1. John Calvert - '68 'Stang

2. Allyn Lee - '68 Cuda SS/A

I still believe that Allyn would have been first in the 8's if he'd been able to travel more.

Mike Bassin 10-14-2010 01:29 PM

Re: Best 4-Speed SS Of All Time?
 
Ronnie Sox and very close second, Dave Strickler. A local Marylander that drove all kinds of cars til a stroke slowed him down is Tommy Howes. I got to send all these guys down the old 75-80 Dragway in the early / mid sixties and all three were terrific. Tommy Howes could also, build, tune and maintain and drive everything he ever raced. Of course all others mentioned are exceptional. These are the ones I got to see regularly.

Mike Bassin

Mike Taylor 3601 10-14-2010 01:46 PM

Re: Best 4-Speed SS Of All Time?
 
Never got to see Ronnie Sox drive I think Mike Boyles would have to be high on the list as
one of the best 8 IHRA s/s championships and I think 3 classic gear jammers are hard to argue with his IHRA championships came when they earned by traveling and doing good all year long,he's still stick as far as I know.
Mike Taylor3601


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