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cad 10-06-2010 08:22 AM

Re: Consensus By Professional Engine Builders
 
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Originally Posted by treessavoy (Post 214952)
Nice try but if you have shoe polish on your windshield you're bracket racing! The only difference is that those of us that race class have extra restrictions than regular bracket racers.

JimR
1964 b/sa

That was my only thought....I know how hard you all work in class racing, so I am not critiquing, just trying to understand why one would think they will never beat a Cobra Jet....

Dgal 10-06-2010 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by cad (Post 214975)
That was my only thought....I know how hard you all work in class racing, so I am not critiquing, just trying to understand why one would think they will never beat a Cobra Jet....

If they run the same class as you then it is pretty hard to out run them. They generally don't go red in a head's up or class because they can watch you leave then run you down. Look at how many 100's lights they cut in class with the Cobra Jets/Drag Paks and they still win.

Except against each other. The talk of the FX class or equivalent would have me checking reasoning for running one of these cars. They would become EXTREMELY expensive bracket/class cars to campaign overnight. They would be pounding against each other and making those engines fast against another will put the costs in the stratosphere.

I see that Eric Merryfield is selling his car in the classifieds. He has his own reasons, but it seems odd that he just started running this car and now it is up for sale all of the sudden. I wouldn't blame him for selling if he thought this was about to get out of hand.

Within class matchups are not the only issue. It is two fold. First, these cars are Factory Experiments and they race against other cars within their class that don't have a chance. And secondly, there are new experimental combinations that are coming from Ford and Chrysler that make their way into nearly every class. They start at the bottom and cause havoc all the way up until this gets fixed.

Larry Hill 10-06-2010 09:30 AM

Re: Consensus By Professional Engine Builders
 
Hey Dottie,

What do you race?

Patsy Hill

Smitty 10-06-2010 10:36 AM

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How many races other than class have the new cars won? I mean the class winner does not determine who wins the championship correct?
Someone also mentioned that Jimmy Defrank has not commented on the sublect because he is working on his combination. Jimmy Defrank has a new 2010 Cobra Jet car guys so I guess he wanted to cover all the bases; he's got a fast Chevy and superfast Ford when he wants to obliterate to the competition. I really don't understand all the fuss though because although the new cars did win some of the class honors at Indy they didn't take all of them; Todd Patterson had the field covered at Indy but didn't win class so there is an example of the fastest car doesn't always win.

Dgal 10-06-2010 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Smitty (Post 215016)
How many races other than class have the new cars won? I mean the class winner does not determine who wins the championship correct?
Someone also mentioned that Jimmy Defrank has not commented on the sublect because he is working on his combination. Jimmy Defrank has a new 2010 Cobra Jet car guys so I guess he wanted to cover all the bases; he's got a fast Chevy and superfast Ford when he wants to obliterate to the competition. I really don't understand all the fuss though because although the new cars did win some of the class honors at Indy they didn't take all of them; Todd Patterson had the field covered at Indy but didn't win class so there is an example of the fastest car doesn't always win.

Calvert won the debut with his Cobra Jet at the Winternationals a couple of years ago. I think Fezell won recently, but I am fuzzy on that.

Don

GEORGE PETERSON 10-06-2010 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Greg Hill (Post 214974)
Dottie the power of positive thinking is great but when someone has 100 more hp and less weight they are going to win 99.9% of the time.

I tried that " Positive Thinking". I knew it wouldn't work, and it didn't.

GP

Dgal 10-06-2010 11:00 AM

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Here is a link to a good article on Calvert's win. Not to take away from his win, because John Calvert is an excellent driver and no heads up runs. He was the number two qualifier at 1.17 under (the old index) in A/S.

Calvert's Winternationals Win

This quote that rubs it in the face of people that have been working on their combo for years just to see one qualify number 2. From the article:

"I couldn't be happier for Brent Hajek and John Calvert who have taken the car that we designed, and created a championship race car in just six weeks," said Brian Wolfe, Director of Ford North America Motorsports. "

Don

X-TECH MAN 10-06-2010 11:12 AM

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And to think you NHRA racers used to complain about the IHRA "Crate Motored" cars..........LOL. At least they ALWAYS ran from the very begining in their own class and off their own index's and they havent invaded Super Stock. .

Dion Hildebrandt 10-06-2010 11:12 AM

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http://www.competitionplus.com/drag-...et-controversy

Another article that seems apporopriate

Larry Hill 10-06-2010 11:42 AM

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Look at live timing of the new cars in a heads up race. Notice the mph difference at the 1/8 mile. Nothing, not even positive thinking, will make up a three to four or more mph. Most of the new cars run 200 lbs or more heavy. Look at Jeggs vs. Fletcher at A/SA in St Louis or Chicago during final eliminations.

Its a physics problem. The laws of physics do not change.


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