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Scott Bechler 12-09-2009 10:36 PM
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There are two issues that are getting confused.
1. USDOT motor carrier. If you operate your racing activities as a business, by deducting expenses from your taxes, and travel through more than one state, then you are operating in interstate commerce. If your vehicle combination is 10,001 lbs or more then you are a motor carrier and require a DOT number. If you transport your own equipment that you use for your business (racing) then you are a private motor carrier. If someone pays you to transport their equipment then you would be a "For Hire" motor carrier.
2. CDL. You can drive a 26,000 lb tow vehicle and a 10,000 lb trailer for a GCVW of 35,000 without having a CDL. If the trailer hits 10,001 or the tow rig hits 26,001 you have to have a CDL

Scott Bechler

Ed Fernandez 12-09-2009 10:59 PM
Re: dot compliance
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Bechler (Post 155804)
There are two issues that are getting confused.
1. USDOT motor carrier. If you operate your racing activities as a business, by deducting expenses from your taxes, and travel through more than one state, then you are operating in interstate commerce. If your vehicle combination is 10,001 lbs or more then you are a motor carrier and require a DOT number. If you transport your own equipment that you use for your business (racing) then you are a private motor carrier. If someone pays you to transport their equipment then you would be a "For Hire" motor carrier.
2. CDL. You can drive a 26,000 lb tow vehicle and a 10,000 lb trailer for a GCVW of 35,000 without having a CDL. If the trailer hits 10,001 or the tow rig hits 26,001 you have to have a CDL

Scott Bechler
OK,so if someone has a 4500 series dually and a 42' L/Q trailer what class CDL is required?

Ron Traupman 12-09-2009 11:06 PM
Re: dot compliance
 
There are alot gray areas in DOT and the laws are changing everyday. We use J.J. Keller
for our questions and saftey program in our trucking company. The website is www. jjkeller.com and they are open 24/7 to answer any questions. Believe me when I say the laws change everyday. Also every state has their own little laws too. Just my 2 cents.



26,001 and over with air brakes (CDL B)
26,001 and over combo(truck and trailer) CDL A
RV's no cdl
alot of you guys can run (NOT FOR HIRE) on your trailer

63corvette 12-09-2009 11:12 PM
Re: dot compliance
 
ED, a CDL covers everything, for a commercial operation except the Hazardous Materials endorsement, which is a total other issue when you carry fuel of a certain amount.

For a non commercial operation a non commercial Class A covers the dually and trailer. I am sure a 4500 dually and a 42 ft trailer goes over the 26,001 combined weight.
I have the Class B for my motor home and trailer less than 10,001 lbs GVW.

It really is confusing for people and what makes it worse is there are as many ideas on what the rules mean as there are police officers to try and enforce them.

My 2 Cents

Ed Fernandez 12-09-2009 11:29 PM
Re: dot compliance
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 63corvette (Post 155817)
ED, a CDL covers everything, for a commercial operation except the Hazardous Materials endorsement, which is a total other issue when you carry fuel of a certain amount.

For a non commercial operation a non commercial Class A covers the dually and trailer. I am sure a 4500 dually and a 42 ft trailer goes over the 26,001 combined weight.
I have the Class B for my motor home and trailer less than 10,001 lbs GVW.

It really is confusing for people and what makes it worse is there are as many ideas on what the rules mean as there are police officers to try and enforce them.

My 2 Cents
Thank you.I'm just running senarios through my head.I currently am a CDL B w/air.

BlueOval Ralph 12-10-2009 07:56 AM
Re: dot compliance
 
JJ Keller is one of the best companys out there! But
RV's no cdl this is ture only if Titled in Personal Name if if it is in a Company Name the it is comerical and all DOT laws apply!




Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Traupman (Post 155815)
There are alot gray areas in DOT and the laws are changing everyday. We use J.J. Keller
for our questions and saftey program in our trucking company. The website is www. jjkeller.com and they are open 24/7 to answer any questions. Believe me when I say the laws change everyday. Also every state has their own little laws too. Just my 2 cents.



26,001 and over with air brakes (CDL B)
26,001 and over combo(truck and trailer) CDL A
RV's no cdl
alot of you guys can run (NOT FOR HIRE) on your trailer

MFR440 12-10-2009 10:08 AM
Re: dot compliance
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scotty D (Post 154473)
ok racers here you go i went to the imis show in indy yesterday and stumbled upon this booth,if he is at the pri show i highly recomend talking to him.it's the NTCI(national transportation consultants inc) their name's is Joeseph Y Morrison and Robert E Siefert they did a seminar on tuesday and had a booth set up and had all kinds of free literature including a cd of the seminar.also said you could call at 1-317-770-0953 and ext 100 or 123 or cell numbers are 1-317-698-9500 for robert or 1-317-294-8560 for joseph.very nice guys to talk to this was a very informative little chat.also i forgot to put that there is a website it is www.ntconsult.com
These guys are in my hometown, where my Dad still lives. He has an appointment with them next week. I will try to post what he finds out, although our situation may be different - we have a dually pickup with a 48-ft gooseneck with living quarters. According to Indiana BMV, it is an RV and is plated as such. :-)

Mark Callanan 12-10-2009 10:15 AM
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MFR440

How is the truck registered?

Tony Janes 12-10-2009 11:29 AM
Re: dot compliance
 
Mark has a point. The registration of the power unit is what is important.

63corvette 12-10-2009 11:39 AM
Re: dot compliance
 
Like Blue Oval Ralph says it all depends if it is a business or a personal rig.
If it is a personal truck or motor home like mine is it just takes the Class B or Class A non commercial.
From having racer friends and long discussions of this at the races in the evenings it seems a motor home pulling a trailer is usually left alone. The same for the dually and 5th wheel trailers. The ones drawing the most attention is the toter homes and the stacker trailers. Toter homes closer resemble long haul trucks so they seem to draw more attention.
The biggest thing that is getting people pulled over now seem to be over length.
I witnessed that coming home from Pamona last month. On I-40 Jim Heads car hauler and motor home pulling a stacker trailer were traveling together. The motor home was stopped by the Ca Highway Patrol near Needles and it looked like they were measuring it as we went by. About a mile down the road was the car hauler pulled over waiting.
The motor home was a tandem axle 42 or 45 ft pulling about a 30 ft stacker which would have put him at close to 80 ft in length. Ca length law is 65 so I am sure he was in trouble. We went by and kept on going.
Again it all depends on the police officer and what he thinks the law is and there is a lot of different opinions.
My 2 Cents


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