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BobUnkefer 09-21-2009 05:10 PM

Re: The rumor of the day
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by clutch man (Post 141812)
How many of the people that actually support this have even won a race?????????????????

I'll throw in my vote to get things started.

Somtimes when racing but far more from years on the announcing deck, I've seen many a race where the quicker car had the worst red light and won, and wondered why,,,,,, I KNOW why, but wondered still.

I've seen a few races over the years where a M or N car goes red and B or C cars go far worse on the red side and wondered if they were red because they already knew,,,,, but I've also seen FAR more runs where B runs a C or a G runs an H and both go red milliseconds from one another, yet the first car always gets to pack it up early, even if the second was the worse of the two. And it happens far more between close cars then it does those with a large disparity in dials.

As times change, so does technology, with technology available to handle this type of situation, why NOT use it. Others have pointed out the change that happened with breakouts, from first to worst. Why not with the reds too.

Hasn't the object always been to run the BEST race you can in YOUR lane, and if the other guy beats you, it was because he was BETTER than you in that particular race? Where is this any different?

My .02

Unk

art leong 09-21-2009 05:43 PM

Re: The rumor of the day
 
Years ago back in the 70's we learned about the fact that once on side of the tree goes red the other can't. There were very few racers who knew that (believe it or not)
So when we ran a car that we had to give a big spot to my partner would leave a bulb early roar by them the lift/hit the brakes. Most thought we could run much faster than we did.

Mark Yacavone 09-21-2009 05:47 PM

Re: The rumor of the day
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by clutch man (Post 141812)
How many of the people that actually support this have even won a race?????????????????


I'll add my name when you add yours.

Mark Yacavone 09-21-2009 05:54 PM

Re: The rumor of the day
 
Like I said before, as someone who's gotten to leave first quite a bit over the years, I could live without this correction. But I can't really see who would be dead set against it ,except for maybe someone with a real fast AA car. Everyone else could just as easily benefit from it, as not.
There are more and more 9 second cars every year. That would have a bunch of the B & C cars leaving first
So what's the problem with fixing this inequity?

Sean Kennedy 09-21-2009 06:09 PM

Re: The rumor of the day
 
Wow, we've already got fast guys on here crying to keep NHRA from making what would be a good change.

I'm not surprised to see Chad Rhodes being the first whiner...

NHRA, since I know you read this site, please take note that the only people that have a problem with this change are people in FAST cars.

Bob Shaw 09-21-2009 06:12 PM

Re: The rumor of the day
 
I have talked to NHRA about the unfairness of the first red light rule several times over the years, but nobody seems to care. Bill Dedman expresses my opinion better than I can. It makes as much sense as the "first to break out" rule did.

bsa633 09-21-2009 06:28 PM

Re: The rumor of the day
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bill dedman (Post 141778)

How does this change ANYTHING, much less, "EVERYTHING?" The red-lighting car still loses.

I guess it's the way you look at it..is the glass halv empty or is it half full? But it sure could change this racing more than who that looses on a redlight..the approach for this racing for one example..maybe we "get a race" to have slower cars alltogether to get a "clean wiew" at the starting line?
This has been beaten to death a couple of times...the pro and cons are allready out there on this and other boards...well maybe it will change this time.. but my stand is NO to more changes..of any kind...just been to many of those the last 5-6 years..when you start a project nowdays you simply dont know if you "fit in" somewhere when your ready!
If one redlights(first) the race is over and the other lane is the winner(if nothing else occurs)..a moment in dragracing that has been there forever..in headsup-races it's a given..can only work so...also been the same in handicap-classes for that time..but now we want to make this type of racing even more complex?If this come true the next thing will be getting rid of headsup races in eliminations...i am sure..

p.s. In my last race i lost on a first red to a worst red...thats life...but it would be hard to get a fair reading of fast/slow car "dual reds" for any statistics since a "red" in the other lane will screw you up some..well lets see what happens..

Lyn Smith 09-21-2009 06:33 PM

Re: The rumor of the day
 
Am I correct to assume that the u/sa that has just left the line 5 second before the aa/s, will not find out he has redlighted till the faster car leaves the line with some sort of a green light? So he will be near the 330 mark when he gets the bad news.

Jack McCarthy 09-21-2009 06:51 PM

Re: The rumor of the day
 
i have NEVER asked for this rule to be changed .... i only commented that it was a nice to see a rule change that promoted fairness...

i wont loose any sleep either...

jack mccarthy

i get even when the track sucks :)

442OLDS 09-21-2009 06:57 PM

Re: The rumor of the day
 
I'm still trying to figure out how come my thread was DELETED when I posted the very same link that started this thread about 4 days ago???????

Daryl Bureski

www.442OLDS.com


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