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Originally Posted by Bruce Noland (Post 605707)

Tony,
My point is nhra entices racers to get grade points to enter it's National Events. It's obvious that a lot of racers go to get grade points when the Gators fills with 8 grade points and racers come here upset about it and then later making requests from any racer who may have to drop out. This is getting old and I believe it will cool the enthusiasm for the divisional races and reduce car counts and profitability for the track owners. But your response really says it all. You appear to be saying I'm all set so I have no need to support the racers efforts to get increased quotas at Natiinal Events. I'm glad you are happy with your racing program.

A few things:

Yes, the current structure works for my program, but there are a couple good reasons for that. First, my Super Street car is #1 and Super Comp is just something else I do to keep busy. So national events just aren't any kind of priority for me, even if they have Super Street running there. Secondly, I never ran NHRA events of any type in the pre-quota era so I don't know any differently.

With those points stated, I value my objectivity and am willing to put the greater good above what is good for me. When I compare a national event to a divisional, I see the national taking more time, costing more to enter, no shootout race, a smaller field (could be good or bad), getting to compete against some drivers that you wouldn't normally see in that area. Most of those are negatives and so I don't view national events favorably.

If I try to put my S/SS hat on, most of those still apply although there usually aren't bonus races at divisionals and at a national there could potentially be class racing, which is a big deal and maybe the biggest allure which puts national events on another level. They could have just taken that away from more events, but introduced the viable alternative to run class at some divisional events. Almost sounds better to me because the fields can be much larger which increases the likelihood of actual class eliminations and fewer in the combo.

My point wasn't that low quotas are a good thing; I was simply questioning your theory that lower quotas will kill the divisional events and the tracks that hold them. The LODRS seems to have enough to offer in its own right. Maybe I see it differently because my division is so geographically large that attending far-flung events to earn grade points to race national events that are just as far-flung wouldn't be worth it.

I've also learned over the years that complaining about anything racing-related doesn't do any good. I was a longtime NHRA hater and still don't love the organization, but I enjoy the style of racing and knew what I was getting into. When I don't enjoy it, I'll stop doing it in favor of something else that I enjoy.

There are only a handful of races that fill up with a grade 8.
Gainesville. Norwalk. Vegas. Pomona. Maple aGrove. To name a few
So go pick anther National Event. That’s what I will do
Every same people crying about Gainesville .seems like you all should no better

Just race somewhere else. Sort of like you can’t get a reservation to eat at your favorite restaurant
Move On.
Nhra could give a. ...poop

James (aka Marshall’s Kid) come on down for the Baby Gators, you know you want to do it again. Park on asphalt and see if folks withdraw Monday morning....

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Originally Posted by dartman (Post 605734)

To kept it under 64 cars would be a good reason, 1 less round

I'll bet that once all of the aforementioned enter, it will be well over quota.

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Originally Posted by Mike Pearson (Post 605613)

I would say there would be near 100 cars in both stock and super stock. I cant remember the exact car counts at the Baby Gators last year but it was close to those numbers. Most would stay for the national if they could get in. so easily 80+ so NHRA is leaving $40,000 on the table by cutting the entries due to the quota. That's figuring 20 cars more in each eliminator and some crew. Now if it was 100 cars per category then double that number.

All to save the 2-3 thousand dollars they would have to pay the help for a couple extra hours per day, and a few extra employees for the weekend!

Trump needs to take over NHRA and create more jobs!!!

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Originally Posted by B Parker (Post 605701)

Painter I plan on hitting a few races this winter in Florida. What ones will have doubles. Thanks Barry

From the Div 2 FB page....

2020 D2 Lucas Oil Series races

1. January 31- February 2
Orlando Speed World Dragway
Orlando, Fla.

2. February 21-23
South Georgia Motorsports Park
Cecil, Ga.

3. March 5-8 Gainesville Raceway (Regional)
Gainesville, Fla.

4. May 1-3 Atlanta Dragway
Atlanta, GA

5. September 18-20 GALOT Motorsports Park
Raleigh, NC

6. October 2-4 Rockingham Dragway
Rockingham, NC

National Open Races

April 18-19 - Mooresville Dragway (Double)

June 27-28 - Atlanta Dragway (Double)

August 29-30 - Carolina Dragway (Double)

October 4 - Rockingham Dragway (After LODRS Race)

7 total races, still a best 5 Points Races…

No doubles in Florida Barry, apparently. Jim

Thanks Painter for the correction!

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NHRA could cure this if they wanted to by making national opens a series so that you have to participate all in your division to get the points and if you miss one you get no points. National opens are races just to keep the athusiium up in the categories between division races. If the round wins don't count for the national championship, why should their participants points count to national events?
I for one will only race the close to me division races since you get no reward for supporting the series. With 6 grade points all the national events should be open to you, instead, you get a kick in the teeth.
I commend the racers with 8 points or better, it's the NHRA making us squabble with each other over on how to get points not the racers.

Casey Miles
Stock
PS: a power glide may be my future to run brackets.

Casey
Division 2 has a series for the Open Series.
Best 5 of 7. Top 5 get recognized at the Banquet. Pretty cool deal.

Chip I understand that, but here again it's 1/8 mile racing, not conducive to a 4 speed car. Also another 8k miles to go to them. Just saying.
Casey Miles
Stock stick

The difference between a puppy and a drag racer is -

"The puppy learns to quit whining"

Ron

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Originally Posted by Andys dad (Post 606067)

The difference between a puppy and a drag racer is -

"The puppy learns to quit whining"

Ron

Dumb!

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Originally Posted by Andys dad (Post 606067)

The difference between a puppy and a drag racer is -

"The puppy learns to quit whining"

Ron

How about after the puppy gets kicked so many times by the owner the one the puppy stuck with for years. The puppy learns and bites back. BP

Mr. Wahl,

I haven't raced since 2007, but I try to keep up. In following this discussion about grade points I have a couple of questions. What is a National Open? Is it in addition to the Division races? And are they different than a "Regional' event. Do they all count for 'grade points'?

Thank you,

Ray

The problem with puppies is there young and don’t know any better
Old dogs are set in there ways and it’s difficult to get them to change there behavior
Grade points are now needed and a lot of them. So to you old dogs get with the program
Or be left on the porch. And wonder why Your not racing

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Originally Posted by Ray Gottry (Post 606144)

Ray,
A National Open is a race normally placed at the end of the Divisional season in any given Division. Run the same way a Divisional is done, but sort of a wild card race open to obtaining a grade point for anyone from any Division.D2 and D1 used to have one or two every year at Bradenton, Orlando or Gainesville. D2 stopped doing this several years ago for some reason. Jim

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Originally Posted by Quo Pro Joe (Post 605600)

Let's say there was NO quota and NO grade point requirements for the Gatornationals.Anybody that wanted to race in Stock Eliminator was free to compete.

How many cars would be there? Probably about 60.:)

There were 103 Stockers at the Baby Gators a week before the Gators. I probably would have stayed and run the Gators if I could have. I was already there! How many others would have also? Jim

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Gators track sucks to say the least. The last time I was there I was pitted where the spectators park. So with that in mind, I will never go there again. It’s one of the closest tracks from my house. It’s too bad that this track is too small.