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SS Engine Guy 03-17-2012 12:52 AM

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GarysZ24 03-20-2012 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Phillip marvetz (Post 315317)
OUCH! I can build a 12 second bracket car for less than that, lol

That goes double for me too Phillip!

Or instead, I could freshen up the engine and converter for my Cavalier, and change the camshaft to one with more duration, plus a set of headers made for it. Then I might have a chance to run heads up (and be competitive), with Ed's Gremlin (since he out-runs me by 1-1.5sec.)! Now that would be fun, two against the norm stockers running different classes, but heads up and nearly equal et's!!!!

A much better use of that much money than just for a helmet, I think!

Heck, I could afford a trip out to E'town to meet/race with Ed, and his Gremlin....that would be more fun than spending that much money on a helmet. I'll agree with Ed on another thing....it's time to put a fork in it....

Phillip marvetz 03-20-2012 12:03 PM

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Well the poll is done.
Interesting results, I was suprised to see how many of you are using a SA open face helmet. The results also showed that the majority of us do not use a SA full face helmet contrary to the few that had to call my decision making and vehicle safety into account, I expected that would be the case.

Thank you to all that took part in the poll, Especially those that didn't have to make it a mud slinging contest.

Cheers, Phillip

Chad Rhodes 03-20-2012 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Phillip marvetz (Post 316479)
Well the poll is done.
Interesting results, I was suprised to see how many of you are using a SA open face helmet. The results also showed that the majority of us do not use a SA full face helmet contrary to the few that had to call my decision making and vehicle safety into account, I expected that would be the case.

Thank you to all that took part in the poll, Especially those that didn't have to make it a mud slinging contest.

Cheers, Phillip

Add the numbers. The majority wear SA helmets, the majority wear full face helmets. The highest percentage wear SA full face helmets. Spin it any way you want but those are the facts. Maybe you should go for the Obama administration, they seem to view math the same way you do

Ed Wright 03-20-2012 01:28 PM

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Sure looks to me like more of us DO wear full face SA helmets, versus SA open face. More than the others too.

Phillip marvetz 03-20-2012 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes (Post 316491)
Add the numbers. The majority wear SA helmets, the majority wear full face helmets. The highest percentage wear SA full face helmets. Spin it any way you want but those are the facts. Maybe you should go for the Obama administration, they seem to view math the same way you do

71 out of 163= 92 that do not agree with you. Hmmm 92 is more than 71 right? You and your friends have been preaching about how we all should have to wear the SA full face helmets the whole time. What's wrong? You dont like the fact that so many of us don't agree? TO BAD! You are a agrumentative dweeb.



Go put some spin on those numbers.

Ed Fernandez 03-20-2012 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Phillip marvetz (Post 316620)
71 out of 163= 92 that do not agree with you. Hmmm 92 is more than 71 right? You and your friends have been preaching about how we all should have to wear the SA full face helmets the whole time. What's wrong? You dont like the fact that so many of us don't agree? TO BAD! You are a agrumentative dweeb.



Go put some spin on those numbers.

How about a bit more than 2 out of 3 use Snell helmets compared to motorcicle helmets?
Can't spin that.Wear what you like,it's your head.

Ed Wright 03-20-2012 10:29 PM

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All open face helmets = 51, all M rated helmets = 68.
SA full face = 71.

Chad Rhodes 03-20-2012 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Phillip marvetz (Post 316620)
71 out of 163= 92 that do not agree with you. Hmmm 92 is more than 71 right? You and your friends have been preaching about how we all should have to wear the SA full face helmets the whole time. What's wrong? You dont like the fact that so many of us don't agree? TO BAD! You are a agrumentative dweeb.



Go put some spin on those numbers.

A majority run SA helmets (71+41=114) 114/163= 69.9%
A majority run full face helemts (71+26=97) 97/163=59.5%

43.56% > 26.38% > 15.95% > 15.34%

I can explain it to you, I cannot understand it for you. There is not a "majority" because there are 4 options (see presidential primary for explanation of winners and losers there). if you ask either a) do you wear an SA or M rated helmet? or b) do you wear a full face or open face helmet? Either way you lose.

I really feel sorry for you, i wish I could explain it in simple enough terms for you to understand. Hopefully you don't have this hard of a time with simple daily math.

Phillip marvetz 03-20-2012 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes (Post 316629)
A majority run SA helmets (71+41=114) 114/163= 69.9%
A majority run full face helemts (71+26=97) 97/163=59.5%

43.56% > 26.38% > 15.95% > 15.34%

I can explain it to you, I cannot understand it for you. There is not a "majority" because there are 4 options (see presidential primary for explanation of winners and losers there). if you ask either a) do you wear an SA or M rated helmet? or b) do you wear a full face or open face helmet? Either way you lose.

I really feel sorry for you, i wish I could explain it in simple enough terms for you to understand. Hopefully you don't have this hard of a time with simple daily math.

It's "I" smart guy. Understand that? Spell check baby, You can't spell helmet right also.

Chad Rhodes 03-20-2012 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Phillip marvetz (Post 316639)
It's "I" smart guy. Understand that? Spell check baby, You can't spell helmet right also.

Argue with the numbers........ Go ahead, remove all doubt. I am beginning to understand why you bought a $10 helmet

There is a big difference between a typo on my iPad, and being dumb as a post.

GarysZ24 03-21-2012 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes (Post 316491)
Add the numbers. The majority wear SA helmets, the majority wear full face helmets. The highest percentage wear SA full face helmets. Spin it any way you want but those are the facts. Maybe you should go for the Obama administration, they seem to view math the same way you do

Chad, you had to go there didn't you (with your last comment)? Well given where you live, and the recent news that's giving your state (and I digress mine as well), a black eye (no pun intended), I guess I shouldn't be surprised. I hope you keep that George Z. (buttwipe) in your state, because we don't need/want people of his ilk in mine!!!

Oh, and as for the survey Phillip did, you and a few others here Chad are overlooking the point he was trying to make....165 (actual) people voted, and although 71 voters use a SA full face helmet, a combined total of 94 (the remaining voters), either wear a M full, SA open, or M open faced helmet. Thus, more of those who partook in this survey DO NOT WEAR AN SA FULL FACED HELMET....PHILLIPS POINT!!!

You and the others like you may be right that the single majority (of the four types listed), were SA full face helmet users (or the combined total of voters using full faced helmets vs open face helmets, or even SA vs M series helmets) was greater as well, but that's not what he was saying, and the numbers prove it. That's very Fox "So Called" News of you to put a different "spin"(pun intended) on what he was saying, however your apparent source for national news is showing itself clearly to me. Sorry to rain on your parade Chad, but that's the facts! What part of that logic don't you get?My government supported public school taught me that, and it also taught me although your statements add up, so does Phillips, and he has numbers to support his primary summary. You must be a Romney fan, because you're talking a lot like him, and that's scary....

Chad Rhodes 03-21-2012 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by GarysZ24 (Post 316656)
Chad, you had to go there didn't you (with your last comment)? Well given where you live, and the recent news that's giving your state (and I digress mine as well), a black eye (no pun intended), I guess I shouldn't be surprised. I hope you keep that George Z. (buttwipe) in your state, because we don't need/want people of his ilk in mine!!!

Oh, and as for the survey Phillip did, you and a few others here Chad are overlooking the point he was trying to make....165 (actual) people voted, and although 71 voters use a SA full face helmet, a combined total of 94 (the remaining voters), either wear a M full, SA open, or M open faced helmet. Thus, more of those who partook in this survey DO NOT WEAR AN SA FULL FACED HELMET....PHILLIPS POINT!!!

You and the others like you may be right that the single majority (of the four types listed), were SA full face helmet users (or the combined total of voters using full faced helmets vs open face helmets, or even SA vs M series helmets) was greater as well, but that's not what he was saying, and the numbers prove it. That's very Fox "So Called" News of you to put a different "spin"(pun intended) on what he was saying, however your apparent source for national news is showing itself clearly to me. Sorry to rain on your parade Chad, but that's the facts! What part of that logic don't you get?My government supported public school taught me that, and it also taught me although your statements add up, so does Phillips, and he has numbers to support his primary summary. You must be a Romney fan, because you're talking a lot like him, and that's scary....

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Read my other post for a better understanding of the numbers

GarysZ24 03-21-2012 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes (Post 316673)
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Read my other post for a better understanding of the numbers

I read your post #90 (I'm assuming that's the one your referrencing), and although all of those figures are correct, so also is Phillips figure, that out of 165 total voters, only 71 of them use SA Full Face Helmets (which was his primary summary), that you and the others are overlooking...why? He got your point, and as I said your numbers add up, but the bottom line is that only 71 out of 165 respondents use that type of helmet. I clearly understand your numbers, but I also understand his...94 out of 165 respondents use either the SA open, the M full, or the M open face helmets. That's all he was trying to say, and that's the one figure you (and others are choosing to ignore). I understand your figures, you however need to understand his.

Jim Wahl 03-22-2012 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by GarysZ24 (Post 313451)
I've never said that Jim, because I know it's unrealistic to think that. However, there are many things that are not mandated on cars like mine, and thus if I don't need to have it, I won't. I sure love how a former fwd'er who now has joined the ranks of the faster half of the class thinks I should have the same safety equipment that the faster cars have, just because you have to have them...if the rules don't mandate it, then I'm not spending my money on it, that simple.

You know I've seen a lot of things that have enhanced the capabilities of faster class cars being allowed on them (that weren't in decades past), while little to nothing has been done to benefit the slower rollers (and fwd stockers), so enjoy your faster car, Jim. I race what I can afford, plus when I do win with this car, it'll have more meaning to it given only two racers have made either the stock national or divisional winners circle (speaking NHRA only since I don't know if Mike Beard or any other fwd racer has done this in the IHRA). I'll take the road less traveled thank you very much!!!

Sorry Gary but I didn't see your response to my post until now. My remark was limited to the helmet issue and nothing else. BTW I still have a FWD car that runs 12.80 @ 107. I wear the same SA open face helmet as I wear in the RWD race car but with the stock seat belts and no roll bar. It isn't a dedicated race car and is driven some on the street. If it were to be strictly a race car I would greatly consider a roll bar, and that would mean I would need the correct seat belts also. Please calm down, if you want to have the bare minimum safety equipment, go for it, I can assure you, I am only concerned with your safety. Jim

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Jim Wahl 03-22-2012 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by GarysZ24 (Post 316892)
I read your post #90 (I'm assuming that's the one your referrencing), and although all of those figures are correct, so also is Phillips figure, that out of 165 total voters, only 71 of them use SA Full Face Helmets (which was his primary summary), that you and the others are overlooking...why? He got your point, and as I said your numbers add up, but the bottom line is that only 71 out of 165 respondents use that type of helmet. I clearly understand your numbers, but I also understand his...94 out of 165 respondents use either the SA open, the M full, or the M open face helmets. That's all he was trying to say, and that's the one figure you (and others are choosing to ignore). I understand your figures, you however need to understand his.

I'm pretty sure the gist of the conversation was about SA vs MA helmets. Right at 70% use SA and 30% use MA. Phillip didn't say at the beginning of the poll exactly what he was looking to prove. All he said after giving four choices was "Just for the fun of it let's see which is most commonly used." Based on that statement the winner was the full faced SA helmet. Frankly I'm surprised so many racers use the full face helmet. I use a SA open face as I stated above. It would be hypocritical for me to be preaching to you to use a full face helmet! My point and I think the point of Chad also was that an SA helmet was safer. That's all. You two need not get your undies in such a wad over that now should you? Jim

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Jim Wahl 03-22-2012 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by GarysZ24 (Post 316656)
Chad, you had to go there didn't you (with your last comment)? Well given where you live, and the recent news that's giving your state (and I digress mine as well), a black eye (no pun intended), I guess I shouldn't be surprised. I hope you keep that George Z. (buttwipe) in your state, because we don't need/want people of his ilk in mine!!!

Oh, and as for the survey Phillip did, you and a few others here Chad are overlooking the point he was trying to make....165 (actual) people voted, and although 71 voters use a SA full face helmet, a combined total of 94 (the remaining voters), either wear a M full, SA open, or M open faced helmet. Thus, more of those who partook in this survey DO NOT WEAR AN SA FULL FACED HELMET....PHILLIPS POINT!!!

You and the others like you may be right that the single majority (of the four types listed), were SA full face helmet users (or the combined total of voters using full faced helmets vs open face helmets, or even SA vs M series helmets) was greater as well, but that's not what he was saying, and the numbers prove it. That's very Fox "So Called" News of you to put a different "spin"(pun intended) on what he was saying, however your apparent source for national news is showing itself clearly to me. Sorry to rain on your parade Chad, but that's the facts! What part of that logic don't you get?My government supported public school taught me that, and it also taught me although your statements add up, so does Phillips, and he has numbers to support his primary summary. You must be a Romney fan, because you're talking a lot like him, and that's scary....

Seriously Gary I tried to follow your logic but you spun those numbers to mean what you wanted so much it gave me a headache! You should work for the DNC. They would be glad to have you I'm sure. What does the fact that Chad and I live in Florida have to do with the subject anyway? Give it a rest for just a couple of posts will ya? I assure you many more people are needlessly killed in your state than Florida. I live 10 miles from where the boy was shot, does that make me an idiot? Sorry, I just don't follow the logic! Jim

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Phillip marvetz 03-22-2012 01:44 AM

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Sorry to my undies in such a wad Jim but Chad made thing's personal by calling my intelligence, decision making ability and the safety of my vehicles into question. He does not know me or anything about me or my cars and yet thinks he can insult me here, Hardly a gentlemanly thing to do.

P.S Thanks Gary, Common sense isn't so common these day's.lol

Chad Rhodes 03-22-2012 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Phillip marvetz (Post 316913)
Sorry to my undies in such a wad Jim but Chad made thing's personal by calling my intelligence, decision making ability and the safety of my vehicles into question. He does not know me or anything about me or my cars and yet thinks he can insult me here, Hardly a gentlemanly thing to do.

P.S Thanks Gary, Common sense isn't so common these day's.lol

If you look at the original thread, some people, myself included questioned your decision of buying a used helmet of questionable origin. You started the mudslinging at me and a few others. I have just responded in kind. Since that time you have expressed a willful ignorance of safety, and lack of comprehension of statistics. You may be very bright in other areas, I don't know. Yes, being as cheap as you are about your helmet purchase, and bragging about it, does raise serious questions in my mind about your lackadaisical attitude toward the rest of your car as well.

442OLDS 03-22-2012 07:52 AM

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The safest helmet in the world probably didn't help in this crash:


http://rmirror.net/r/videos/comments...accident_nsfl/

Chad Rhodes 03-22-2012 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by 442OLDS (Post 316930)
The safest helmet in the world probably didn't help in this crash:


http://rmirror.net/r/videos/comments...accident_nsfl/

There ain't no safety gear for that

Phillip marvetz 03-23-2012 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes (Post 316928)
If you look at the original thread, some people, myself included questioned your decision of buying a used helmet of questionable origin. You started the mudslinging at me and a few others. I have just responded in kind. Since that time you have expressed a willful ignorance of safety, and lack of comprehension of statistics. You may be very bright in other areas, I don't know. Yes, being as cheap as you are about your helmet purchase, and bragging about it, does raise serious questions in my mind about your lackadaisical attitude toward the rest of your car as well.

Seriously? Are you for real? Obviously your memory is shorter than your pecker. You and your buddy 1320 stared the mud slingen. Go back read the RIP thread again.


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