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they already have them in ss. FOR some engines Jim Hanig

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I believe the beginning of the problems in super stock was allowing the porting of heads. Without the porting the valvetrain problems go away. In stock the camshaft rule changed the game. Those two rules changed grass roots racing. ----They say you can never go back but if S/SS is to survive it deserves a really good look at its history. --------John

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Just to elaborate on what FINESPLINE said, and I'm not saying that I agree with the ongoing "allowances" being made across the board either. But for what it's worth, this has been happening for a long, long time - from the original Pro Stock evolving from Super Stock to todays Stockers being allowed many things that were not allowed on Super Stockers in the '70's. Even today's Super Stockers are much more sophisticated that the early Pro Stockers, not to mention faster. i.e.: SS/AH. I guess NHRA did make a good decision in the the right direction in the '70's when Stockers reverted back to more "stock" parts. But we see how long that lasted. I don't know what can be done. Just pointing out that history keeps repeating itself.

I am guessing, however, that a big reason NHRA continues these changes is to keep the aftermarket industry busy and involved in drag racing.

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Every illegal part they make legal is just one more part they don't have to pay someone to look for. It's easier to declare it legal than it is to look for it in a 60-100 car field.

It's like every other rule change in the past, it leads to the next one, and the next one, and the one after that. Give them titanium valves and they'll just spin their engines tighter, and they'll find something else they need to take advantage of the new found RPM. If they weren't already allowing porting, welding, and epoxy, there'd be no need.

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You know why that is right?

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Yep !

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There is an easy solution to this problem. Take the titanium valves and the Comp cars..excuse me.. I mean the Modified cars that run them, the hemi cars that wish to run them, as well as anyone else who so desires to run them, and put them in a new category called, yep you guessed it.. Modified eliminator! OR just send them up to Competition eliminator where they belong. Everyone's happy.. the engine builders, the racers who want to go fast and spend the extra money, valve manufacturers, etc..

By the way, I got my new National Dragster issue yesterday with the Indy sportsman results and, looking at the cover, for the life of me can't help but wonder how that "snuffaluffagus" hood scoop add-on is legal on that white Comp.. damnit I meant Modified.. car! Twice now, sorry I get confused!

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While I really dont care either way if they are allowed or not i can tell all of you that putting a titanium valve in ANY of y'all engines will greatly extend the life cycle of the lifters, springs, rocker arms camshaft and cam bearings. If you look at the big picture of spending a little now or alot later the ti valves are cheaper to run in the long run than a stainless valve in pretty much all current SS engine combinations. And yes i do build the engines in Steve Kents SS/AH car and would have a set in there as soon as they are legalized but not so much for the performance gain as much as for the extension of the valvetrain life. I dont have the luxury of having Jesel or T&D in my pocket like CW and Barton do and i envy those guys for having that luxury so i'll take anything we can get to help out our valvetrain. I do agree that it is killing the "purity" of SS but lets be real, i was still a dirty thought in my dads mind when SS was still "pure"...lol...the class is gonna keep evolving and it's just how it's always been. The bad thing is that there are already Ti valves in alot of SS motors illegally, it's a shame but true, unfortunately tech has a hard time when there are 25+ cars in the barn to police who's sneaking the right valves into the heads before they go to the checking table. It's been that way with lots of things over the years, people are gonna stretch the rules to win and that's never gonna change. So as much as i see alot of y'all points on banning them it's only gonna let the guys that are already sneaking them through to keep whatever performance advantage they gain and the rest of us are gonna keep replacing the lifters, springs, cams, rockers and cam bearings at a more rapid rate than them. Also lets be real, a "good" stainless valve is only about 45-50% cheaper than a Ti valve and when we're talking about SS motors that on the "cheap" side are costing $20 grand whats another $800? I know all about being on a budget but when you look at a savings over time for that extra initial investment its kind of a no brainer. I think alot of times some of us are so resistant to any change that we don't look at the big picture of how it could have positive financial rewards long term. OK i'll get off the soapbox now...

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Allen, very well put together post and every thing you say is OK.

However, that's exactually the mind set that put Stock and S/stock into the ****ed-up deal we have now !!! Too many big buck guys spending more than Joe Blow, they need to go to Comp where they can spend their collective asses off.

I'm a spending guy lately to go fast but I gotta think I'm done for a while, please give me a break !!! I have no problems with technology, in fact I love it, but it all filters down.

How about ya take something AWAY from ya motor to make it last longer ?????????????????

I couldn't help notice that most of the "Hemi" guys didn't want to run the eliminator at Indy, (a lot didn't even qualifiy) is this the problem ?????

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Bernie I'd be all for taking some things AWAY that would even the playing field believe me! I definitely don't enjoy how some of us can't seem to be able to buy parts that others have even when the rule book says parts must be "generally available"...lol...i just think it's gonna happen whether we like it or not and i hope bucks down guys can use these to there advantage and extend valvetrain life for themselves...i'll see u out in vegas and by then we'll be able to really get riled up about this since i'm sure the rule will be either official or deleted by then...later buddy

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Here's one for ya..... When I raced my SS cars out of Jimmy's shop in the late 1980's I was driving the SS/K Chev II and Jimmy was driving my SS/L Chev II. One year at the Gators I told Jimmy to take the high end chip out of the MSD and leave wide open. I told him that I'd been driving the K car like that for a couple of months. We were leaving the starting line wide open at 10,200. Jimmy drove the L car to the semis.

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I am In Favor of the ***. Valves for SS. We use them in our lite valve combinations . If there going to do it ask for the whole Ball of Wax.. Any stem size .. Hey Guys just my 2 cents .. Red Le Blanc

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I am In Favor of the Titanium Valves for SS. We use them in our lite valve combinations . If there going to do it ask for the whole Ball of Wax.. Any stem size .. Hey Guys just my 2 cents .. Red Le Blanc

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i agree, lets run any size valve stem.....

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y'all must have big valve stems in those FE motors

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3/8ths like a big block Chebbie and a 383/426/440 wedge MoPar ! The Hemi "Cuda guy wants them because the 5/16ths stems are a little fragile at 10,000 RPM's.

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Terry...they will be asking for 7mm stems just like Comp and NASCAR engines... LOL!!!

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I agree and why not while were at it go with any valve dia. any cc's in heads any compression, any cubic in. Let's all go Pro Stock racingggg!

Just kidding, lets leave the rules to where they resemble some form of a stock class, if not why not just go to the local ET race and save a whole bunch of gas and time just to out run your buddy that has built his car to the same rules you have.With out the rules the class stops being a class and becomes a bracket.NHRA has already taken away some of the meaning of having a class car when you aren't awarded a spot in the race for winning class.

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Any news on this topic from the weekend national events? Dyno

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Superdave, when you serve up a fat ball, it gets knocked out of the park!

As Alanis Morissette sings "ISN"T IT IRONIC"

" It's like PAIN on your WINNING day, A large piston which YOU already made, It's the good advice you just won't take" etc etc . Signed, Dense!

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since 2006 in the z06

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No doubt, it sure is ironic. Its funny how life works. But I still wouldn't want to bend the rules just for me. I still have the same opinion as before, no rule changes in Super Stock.

If we have one rule change we might as well make 10. Here, I'll start the list and you can add on. Then when we're done we can present it to NHRA and start our own class away from Super Stock.

1. Titanium valves
2. Any crank you want as long as its stock stroke
3. No limitations on porting as long as you use the correct casting
4. Run the carbs directly inline, we're already 95% there
5. R & P front ends so we can use #6
6. Diapers
7. Determine what the hood scoop should be
8. Dry sump
9. No compression rules, I saved this one for last:rolleyes:
10.

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I am not smart enough to add on but I think I love it! We both know Jim's bullet was BUILT legal as you have the build sheet and I was impressed that you and your Dad were there for tech. I guess hindsight was to throw some ice on it. .002, Heck, thats nothing. I hope there is an appeal in the works.

PS I leaked the Spyphish and it was perfect. Must be ring chatter, just like Ray said. Thanks

See ya' (as a duck) at the Dutch........