Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 109265)

The races with a CIC like comp was for the "Quick 32" in stock and S/S. The regular eliminators would be run as it is now in NHRA and IHRA.

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 109266)

The Quick 32 in 2001, was an all out race . I believe the CIC trigger should be atleast 1.15 under, if you are going to change the format.

Originally Posted by Pistol Pete (Post 109196)

Robert Swartz:

I did forget about the GT Stock, Crate Motor Class & The Pure Stock Classes. My Mistake.

We can add them in too, no problem. But did you get the idea that I was trying to come up with ??

Just trying to lessen the classes. Run Class run offs with less classes, like Jeff Lee said.

How 'bout the entry fee, say it's $160. for arguements sake, take $100. a car & put it towards Class Elim.
Money, the other $60. goes towards the Handicap Elim. Money.
Say your running the A & B Class and 22 cars show up, take the 22 cars times $100. = $2200.
I don't know if you want to pay winner & runner up or what.??? we need help in this area.

The other $60. goes towards the "Handicap Elim". money pay out. if you had 32 total classes x $60.
that comes out to $1920.

Just trying to come up with ideas on a payout system.

What'dya think Terry

Pistol Pete
1374 Stock

Originally Posted by Pistol Pete (Post 109497)

Hey Frank

We'll throw them some beer, courtesy from " The Brew Crew " maybe some salted peanuts if there
nice to us. lol

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich (Post 109177)

Trevor, Pinks is not actually directly competing with either NHRA or IHRA, the new association would certainly be considered to be in direct competition with both.

Originally Posted by Robert Swartz (Post 109163)

Or maybe that's it. Revive the AHRA under a new brand. That's an interesting question, if someone does still hold the rights to that name? I always thought they had the neatest decal anyway. I had an old AHRA t-shirt, wore that thing till it became nothing but a faded rag, LOL! Still have it in a paper bag upstairs somewhere.

I think that's it, BRING BACK the AHRA!!!!!!

Robert Swartz

Originally Posted by Pistol Pete (Post 109067)

Terry Bell

I think to have our own Assocation would be great. I like UCRA - United Class Racers Assocation.

I also like Jeff Lee's comment on combine classes, Stick with Auto's & combining A,B&C - D,E&F, ect.
I came up with a different plan. See if anyone out there likes this idea.

I only did this for Stock Elim. I broke down all of the NHRA classes into 16 classes by combining them
of course. OK
1. AA stick & auto same index
2. A & B 3 tenths difference in indexs, so add wt. or take out wt. to make it even.
3. C & D 2 tenths difference.
4. E & F 2 tenths difference.
5. G & H .25 hundreds diff.
6. I & J .25 diff.
7. K & L .15 diff.
8. M,N&O 3 tenths diff.
9. P/S & P/SA is the same index.
10. Q/S - Q/SA & A/FS 2 tenths diff.
11. R/S & R/SA 1 tenth diff.
12. T/S & T/SA same index
13. U/S - U/SA & B/FS 2 tenths diff.
14. V/S -V/SA- C&D/FS .45 hundreds diff. ( this is the only class with a big index gap ) suggestions ?
15. W/S & W/SA .25 hundreds diff.
16. E/FS class by itself

How i would run this would be: Run these for Class Elim's on Saturday & the 16 Winners go into the Handicap Style Elim. for Sunday. Payout's, we could use some ideas. Anyone ?????
I'm sure you could do the same for Super Stock using the index formula. Different Class, Same Index =
1 Class, ect....
I would really like some payout ideas. I'll try & do 1 today.

UCRA is the future for us Class Racers...

Sincerely
"Pistol" Pete Dutko
1374 Stock

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 109136)

One question.....How many FWD cars exist today across the country anyway????

Originally Posted by GarysZ24 (Post 113041)

My first guess would be 12-20 (on the NHRA side that is). I only can think of myself and these guys (cars):
1. Brad Pierce
2. Randy Hyman
3. Bill Owen
4. Steve Pohill
5. Dennis Chapman
6. Jim Wahl
7. Nichole Stephenson
8. The Minnesota Neon
9. Russ Abrams
10. Myself--Gary Hampton
11. Stan Kopejtka
12. Bill Howell
13. Skip Loeffler

That's it as I can best recall of last seasons racers...any others out there? Speak up....

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 113058)

You forgot Mike Carr in Div. 1 Penn. area.

Originally Posted by Paul Merolla (Post 113059)

And Art Leong...

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 109136)

Might go with ONE pound wt breaks instead of 1/2 lb breaks to further reduce the number of classes in both stock and super stock. Have to add a 6 and 7 lb wt break for the GT S/Sers to give the Hemi, T-Bolts, and Hi HP Corvettes some competition. The slight wt. break might work well to combine GT and traditional Super stockers????? Maybe some wt. break for the lower class automatic stockers and super stockers also. The main thing is there are way to many classes. The manufactures cannot pay for class win for all these different classes in this economy. Why do you think that a class win money has been going down and it isnt worth much even at Indy? All would still run the eliminator on Sunday anyway....not just class winners. Just thinking out loud. One question.....How many FWD cars exist today across the country anyway????

Originally Posted by Chipper Chapman (Post 108365)

Any thoughts of coming into Canada eh?

Originally Posted by art leong (Post 113083)

ARE YOU GUYS TRYING TO SET UP A NEW ASSOCIATION??????
Adjust this, drop that, It seems to me the stuff you are plotting makes glendora look like childs play.
I've said it before and I'm sure I'll say it again. If you want a totally level playing field go race heavy eliminator or nostagia race. And leave the the perfomance backed stuff to others.
How about you can't win class unless you have competition in your class. That would get rid of most of the FWD cars!!!!!! HAPPY????????
PS in SS there are Ron Sebelnick, Tim Kish, Myself and some others under consturction. All in the same class

Originally Posted by Ed Wright (Post 113156)

Interesting reading for guys thinking NHRA can't do without us. Not sure how I found this, was doing a serch for something else, reflects my thoughts exactly. From our friend Chuck Norton. Echos what an NHRA official of mine and also racetrack ownner I knows says.

http://mysite.verizon.net/res6wsqy/id3.html

Originally Posted by Ed Wright (Post 113156)

Interesting reading for guys thinking NHRA can't do without us. Not sure how I found this, was doing a serch for something else, reflects my thoughts exactly. From our friend Chuck Norton. Echos what an NHRA official of mine and also racetrack ownner I knows says.

http://mysite.verizon.net/res6wsqy/id3.html

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 113058)

You forgot Mike Carr in Div. 1 Penn. area.

Originally Posted by Lynn A McCarty (Post 113384)

Chuck's article dead on, and I saw no "leftist" spin! Keep up the good work Chuck. When you start to spin left, we will all be watching. ;)

Terry,

I 100% support the combining of classes, 1.0 weight brakes where ever it makes sense combining automatics and sticks, too. It can be done. I was at the Dutch classic year before last and there were a bunch of GTDA cars. It was way cool.

Art,

Even though it is impossible to be perfect, why wouldnt we strive for a level playing field? Isnt that the whole point?

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 109136)

Might go with ONE pound wt breaks instead of 1/2 lb breaks to further reduce the number of classes in both stock and super stock. Have to add a 6 and 7 lb wt break for the GT S/Sers to give the Hemi, T-Bolts, and Hi HP Corvettes some competition. The slight wt. break might work well to combine GT and traditional Super stockers????? Maybe some wt. break for the lower class automatic stockers and super stockers also. The main thing is there are way to many classes. The manufactures cannot pay for class win for all these different classes in this economy. Why do you think that a class win money has been going down and it isnt worth much even at Indy? All would still run the eliminator on Sunday anyway....not just class winners. Just thinking out loud. One question.....How many FWD cars exist today across the country anyway????

Originally Posted by Jim Wahl (Post 113571)

How many FWD cars exist across the country? By my count 42 in Stock that compete at at least one points or national event per year. I as well as Art are sick and tired of people like you Terry who think if it isn't powered by a big or small block Chevy, it isn't a race car. Maybe that's why you are an X-Techman, YOU have your own agenda maybe? Jim

Originally Posted by Jim Wahl (Post 113571)

How many FWD cars exist across the country? By my count 42 in Stock that compete at at least one points or national event per year. I as well as Art are sick and tired of people like you Terry who think if it isn't powered by a big or small block Chevy, it isn't a race car. Maybe that's why you are an X-Techman, YOU have your own agenda maybe? Jim

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 113661)

Your statement isnt really worth a response but I will try to be civil and say I like 428 Fords,Max Wedges, and Hemi's better anyway.. Since I dont race anymore just HOW could I have an agenda. I only asked how many FWD cars were running in the country. I really dont care how sick you or Art are of hearing me. Dont read my posts if you dont like what you read. I was trying to figure out how the FWD would fit in and have a better chance at a win. With guys with attitudes like yours I really dont give a s##t anymore. NHRA will do you guys in in a couple of years anyway.