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A couple more old shots of the Rogue from Richmond Rambler...

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http://assets.hemmings.com/story_ima...00-0.jpg?rev=2

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http://assets.hemmings.com/story_ima...00-0.jpg?rev=3

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[QUOTE=Jeff Lee;308891]I went to Maryvale H.S in Phoenix, class of '78. A fellow classmate, a few years older than I, has a gold '67 343 (I think it's a Rogue but I could be wrong). He's had it since at least the mid 1970's. I went to an all year class reunion a few years ago and he was there. Still has the car and will apparently die with it. Sorry, don't remember his name. Jeff ; Yes it is a Rogue ,this is me . Keith Coggins

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Here's one of the Roberts Rambler, was this car that was later painted red white & blue or not...

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/a.../dragamcs3.jpg

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amc67rogue, can you post some pics of the Rogue and a bit of history on your car.

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I guess these cars eventually turned into the SC/Ramber's for the 1969 model year...good looking little car.

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When American Motors uncorked the 1969 SC/Rambler, the
390/315 HP car was targeted for F/Stock.

American Motors listed the car weight at #3150 lbs., and with 315 HP
it would have a weight break factor of 10.00 (1969 = F/Stock).

But, thats not the way the NHRA classed it. They dropped it in E/Stock.

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t...sfha/R465p.jpg

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It sure is good to see other people besides the same old AMC fans talking about these cars.

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What was the 1969 American Motors SC/Rambler up against.

1969 NHRA Class E/Stock
Weight Factor = 9.50 - 9.99 Wt/Hp
National Record = 12.31 @ 112.25 MPH
Car = 1967 Pontiac GTO 400/360 HP

How much of difference in F/Stock
National Record = 12.69

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Here's a '69 390 SC/Rambler at the track somewhere...anyone know what were the production numbers on these things, it couldn't have been very many of them...any transmission breakdown between the automatics & 4-speeds made.

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/a...89sksZHhZg.jpg

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1512 made, no autos to my knowledge..all 4 speeds

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Tom thanks, that's good to know...could you post any other info or photo's that you might have on these '69 SC/Ramblers...very cool looking performance cars.

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i'm in no way an expert on the sc/ramblers but here's a place to start;

http://www.amazingmusclecars.com/1512registry/guest.php

http://www.the1512hurstscramblerregi...ng_history.php

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1969 AMC SC/Rambler

Was a result of a collaboration between AMC's Walt Czamecki and
Dave Landrith from Hurst Performance Research.

On February 13, 1969, AMC had a press release, announcing the partnership deal with Hurst Performance.

The heart of the SC/Rambler was the 390 V-8.
It's 315 HP peak came on relatively early at 4600 RPM,
but there was a barrel full of low-end torque, at 425 lb-ft @3200 RPM.

For a high performance engine, the compression was somewhat mild at 10.2 -1 with flat top pistons.

Atop the cast iron dual-plane high rise intake manifold, was a
Carter AFB (625 CFM) with 1.44" primaries and 1.69" secondaries.

Log-style exhaust manifolds dumped to 2.25" dual-exhaust with
genuine Thrush glass-packs and chrome angle-tipped exhaust tips.

While AMC didn't offer any other engine choices for the SC/Rambler,
dealers could direct buyers to the Group 19 parts book.

The Borg-Warner T-10 (Close-ratio) was the cars only transmission, fitted with
a Hurst Competition/Plus shifter with Hurst linkage, and Hurst 'T' handle.

The rear-end was a Dana 20 unit, fitted with 3.54 gears and a
Twin-Grip limited slip differential. Heavy-duty universal joints were installed,
to help spin the power.

The SC/Rambler utilized the same unit body as the Rogue, but to handle
the 390's torque, additional frame mounts were fitted to accept
the AMX's torque-links.

Up front, the SC/Rambler utilized an independent front suspension with
unequal length upper and lower control arms, coil springs and
tubular shocks, as well as a large stabilizer bar.

At the rear, the live axle was mounted to semi-elliptical leaf springs and
torque-links. The left shock was staggered to control wheel hop.
Mounting-plates were welded to the frame for this specific suspension
design.

Inside the SC/Rambler, a charcoal vinyl split-bench seat with
red/white/blue striped head-rests was up front. A three-spoke steering wheel
with a plastic wood grain rim greeted the driver.

A huge Sun S635 8000 RPM Tachometer was strapped to the
steering column.

Initially, only 500 were to be produced. These 'first' 500 were painted Bright White with Bright Red flanks,
a wide Bright Blue stripe on the deck-lid and roof, and Bright Blue wheels.

This was known as the 'A' paint scheme. On the hood was the
'Mail Box' hood scoop. Just in case no one noticed it, a large
blue arrow pointed directly where the cold air was headed was
painted on the hood, red lettered '390 Cu. In' was the engine call-out
in between the blue arrow, and red lettered 'AIR' was placed on the hood scoop.

Paint Scheme 'A'

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PC, great write up on the specs on the '69 SC/Rambler.

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...08Show0016.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...08Show0004.jpg

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Moose,

Great photo post as usual,,,,,,,,,,,,you are the best...;)

More on the SC/Rambler,

Featuring a Borg-Warner T-10 close-ratio all-syncromesh transmission with;
(1st; 2.23) (2nd; 1.73) (3rd; 1.35) (4th; 1.00) ratios.

Also, a special heavy-duty clutch set-up.

Sub-frame connectors between the front and rear sub-frames.
A special steel plate riveted in the trunk, to provide for additional shock tower support.
Brackets for the sub-frame ends, that bolted to a threaded portion of
the sub-frame.

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the subframe connectors were on all 69 ramblers (americans) and i've been told that it was a mid year 68 thing

i have a 69 2dr sedan and it has the subframe connectors...

unless we're talking about 2 different things

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There it is, on the SC/Rambler Hurst specification sheet.

#3160 lbs. (10.03 Wt/Hp Factor),,,,,,,F/Stock
or
Super Stock (SS/J)

Does anybody remember if the listed weight of the car was exaggerated by AMC to get the car into F/Stock (10.00 - 10.49 Wt/Hp).

Some say E/Stock for 1969, and others say F/Stock.

The 1967 Rogue hardtop with the 343 engine weighed in at #2971 lbs. Where was the other 189 lbs.

pc

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those subframe connectors,disc brakes,torque links, etc. all add up...


btw, i think the 343 ramblers in 67 were the reason for the connectors....;)
they're NOT a very stiff car without them...

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According to the classification guide, the SC/Rambler shipping weight is 3058. In comparison, the '65 Chevy II SS with a 327 is 2882 and the '66 Chevy II SS is 2917. Considering that the AMC V8 is approx 60 lbs heavier than the SBC and that AMC used a cast iron T10 to GM's aluminum Muncie, the weights seem reasonable and not "adjusted".

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dwight, were the bellhousing cast iron or aluminum?

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Thanks Dwight,,,,,,,,

Just what I remembered, the 1969 SC/Rambler was classed in E/Stock in 1969.

AMC did exaggerate the weight on their specification brochure.
The NHRA adjusted it to #3058 lbs., which was #102 lbs. less.

Performance Results

Car Craft (April 1969)
14.30 @ 99.00 MPH

Car and Driver (May 1969)
14.70 @ 96.30 MPH
Note: Press Test Car, with 3.54 Gears.

Road Test Magazine (June 1969)
14.14 @ 100.44 MPH
Note: Press Test Car, with 3.54 Gears.

Car Life (June 1969)
14.20 @ 98.50 MPH
Note: Press Test Car, with 3.54 Gears.

Speed and Supercar (1969)
13.56 @ 105.39 MPH
Note: Car equipped with 3.91 Gears, Doug Headers, Dual-point Distributor and 7" M & H Slicks.

Super Stock & Drag Illustrated (May 1969)
14.31 @ 98.86 MPH
Note: Press Test Car, with 3.54 Gears)

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/MAY-1969-SUPE...0O!~~60_57.JPG

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Ed,

The rest of the listed items;

* Color keyed exterior side-view mirrors
* Blacked-out grille
* Black tail-light lenses
* Hood pins
* Hurst SC/Rambler emblems (front fender, trunk deck-lid, glove box)
* 16:1 Quick-ratio manual steering
* Power assisted Bendix brakes
* Front disc-brakes 11.2"

* Dealer Invoice,,,,,,, $2732.95
* MSRP,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, $2998.00
* List Price,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, $3665.00

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Aluminum

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* Cast pistons
* Forged connecting-rods w/larger 2.25" journals
* Forged crankshaft
* Special cooling features (Heavy-Duty Radiator)
* Power-Flex Fan
* Fan shroud
* Performance Camshaft (.425 Lift / 265* Duration)
* Hydraulic lifters
* Non-adjustable rocker arms
* Delco-Remy Distributor
* 10 1/2" Clutch-Disc

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Car Craft, April 1969

A Hurst prepped SC/Rambler ran a 12.92 @ 107.86 MPH

Modifications:
* GoodYear 8.00 x 14" Slicks
* Crane 302H Camshaft (.477 Lift / 302* Duration)
* Crane valve train components (Springs, Retainers and Lifters)
* Competition valve job (3-angle valve job, milled surface and CC'd chambers)
* Edelbrock aluminum dual-plane high-riser intake manifold
* Holley 735 CFM vacuum-secondary carburetor
* Distributor (re-curved and vacuum advance removed)
* Champion N-12Y Spark Plugs
* Doug Headers
* 3.54 Gears

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I took the average of the 5 road tests you previously posted (omitted the modified test cat with headers, etc.). The average was 14.33 ET. That sounds about right for the day.
I then averaged the MPH's, came out to 98.62.
For fun, I used the formula 1320/MPH = optimum ET. That of course is mainly used on a properly prepared car with tuned traction / suspension / clutch and driver. Obviously these test cars do not fit the bill but this demonstrates what we could do with todays slicks, clutches & suspensions and a fast shifting transmission.
1320 / 98.62 = 13.38 ET! That's a whole second faster "than the day"!

Now with the bolt on parts (cam, headers, intake, carb & slicks; "week #2" modifications), the 12.92 ET @ 107.86 equates to 1320 / 107.86 = 12.24 ET!

So if we could go back in time, we could buy a SC/Rambler for around $3,000 - $3,200 and drop another $500-$600 into it for bolt-ons and run very low 12's. Maybe even hit a high 11 with great air and 4.44 rear gears.
Day #1 (stock) = 14.30's. Day #14 (bot-ons) = 12.20's. Day #21 (gears) = 11.90's.

Not bad!

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Jeff,

I'll take one....:)

Readiing back, many articles stated that the conservative Rambler Dealers did not want this 'wild looking car' on the dealer lot, let
alone in the showroom.

I guess that is why Paint Scheme B was put in place, a little more
subtle look.

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I've never liked the SC paint schemes. But the car is pretty bitchin'!
Ken Kier built one a few years ago for a customer to run SS/H that was all white. With that scoop & big slicks sittin' low, it made an awesome looking car. A big name Heni engine builder supposedly built the 390 and it reportedly made 535 HP. That would have made a great chassis a real turd if the numbers are real. And he probably charged the guy some serious coin. It's been passed around a few times, never even going down the track, at least not publicly known. Sure wish I could own it!

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Just a few more shots of the '69 SC/Rambler...

http://cdn.streetlegaltv.com/files/2012/02/front2.jpg

http://cdn.streetlegaltv.com/files/2012/02/hood.jpg

http://cdn.streetlegaltv.com/files/2012/02/motor2.jpg

http://cdn.streetlegaltv.com/files/2012/02/badge.jpg

http://cdn.streetlegaltv.com/files/2012/02/badge2.jpg

http://cdn.streetlegaltv.com/files/2012/02/badge4.jpg

http://cdn.streetlegaltv.com/files/2012/02/tach.jpg

http://cdn.streetlegaltv.com/files/2012/02/badge3.jpg

http://cdn.streetlegaltv.com/files/2012/02/rear2.jpg

http://www.streetlegaltv.com/feature...rst-scrambler/

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"The Persuader" in the pits at the 1968 AHRA Nationals held at New York National Speedway.

http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/7...epersuader.jpg

M68

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I remember that car.

Ronnie Holland out of Hyannis, Mass. from Cape Motors.

The sedan was equipped with a 343.

If I recall correctly, that car was briefly an AHRA National Record Holder in Formula 4 Stock D/S
AHRA Record 12.83 @ 109.46 MPH

That car flew back in 1968.

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Ya just got to love the Red-White & Blue paint themes, these cars rule!

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You gotta love those lightweight,,,,, 343 cubed cars.

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Accoring to the records, only '2' of the '58' built,
were built by the factory as a 'regular stocking order' Do you have any info on these 2 americans ? Which dealers , VINs ,etc ?

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The local dealer in Huntington, WV had a couple new 1967 Americans with 343 and 4 speed. I test drove one. . .

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I hadn't thought about Don Smith for ages. Or his rumored alteration.

Come on down to fo' fo'ty fo'th avenue!

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Jeff i purchased a new "B" scheme SC/Rambler in 1969. Its weak points were the axles ,clutch, small carb. I put henry's axles in rear leaving stock 3.54 gear and added a heavier pressure plate. With a set of slapper bars and stock torgue links the car would hardly spin when launched at 5,000 with street tires. Other mods an offenhauser manifold, 750 holley, advance kit in distrib. I used stock cam but shimmed valve springs and installed antipumpup lifters. with combination I could leave at 5,000 shift at same and it would run 6,000 in highgear. It was a killer on the street as most cars I ran against couldn't hook or run as fast on top end.
As you know I have been racing these AMC cars ever since.

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Rambler Typhoon was actually the name of the 232 6cylinder engine introduction .AMC made 2520 Rambler 770 classics Badged Typhoon.All cars are solar yellow with painted black roofs. All had Ambassador dashes,all had black interiors. All were 2 door hardtops,1 year only.When Amc introduced their new V8 design ,,they took the typhoon name from the 6.I believe the typhoon. Name was only used for the 290 and 343 V8 engines.