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KA CHING.....your paying for the fuel cars.

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It can be difficult to be neutral, but I do try to be objective. I did a lot of research before getting into Stock and a major factor was that I would not have enough time off from work or money to race for a NHRA championship. So I went with IHRA. But that's just me.

But back to the 2 or 3 day race....So we pay the same or a little more to "play" for 2 days instead of 3. But in the 3 day deal, we start to "play", then it's time for the 'big boys" and we have to get off the court. Sometimes they make a pretty big mess and we still can't go back until the mess is cleaned up and they finish. So, basically, we're "paying" for a whole day, but only get to play when it's convenient for the Pros - we get only a 1/2 day or less? Waiting on them is a waste of our time.

In the 2 day deal, sportsman play all day without interuption, without having to sit on the sidelines, all the way until late afternoon/early evening when the Pros are scheduled. Any delays would be from within our ranks or mother nature, as is the case with the 3 day version. But no interuptions or having to wait on the Pros.

That's the best I can do to see it from my perspective.

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VERY WELL SAID!!!!!!!!
Ralph

QUOTE=Myron Piatek;151864]It can be difficult to be neutral, but I do try to be objective. I did a lot of research before getting into Stock and a major factor was that I would not have enough time off from work or money to race for a NHRA championship. So I went with IHRA. But that's just me.

But back to the 2 or 3 day race....So we pay the same or a little more to "play" for 2 days instead of 3. But in the 3 day deal, we start to "play", then it's time for the 'big boys" and we have to get off the court. Sometimes they make a pretty big mess and we still can't go back until the mess is cleaned up and they finish. So, basically, we're "paying" for a whole day, but only get to play when it's convenient for the Pros - we get only a 1/2 day or less? Waiting on them is a waste of our time.

In the 2 day deal, sportsman play all day without interuption, without having to sit on the sidelines, all the way until late afternoon/early evening when the Pros are scheduled. Any delays would be from within our ranks or mother nature, as is the case with the 3 day version. But no interuptions or having to wait on the Pros.

That's the best I can do to see it from my perspective.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Myron Piatek;151864]It can be difficult to be neutral, but I do try to be objective. I did a lot of research before getting into Stock and a major factor was that I would not have enough time off from work or money to race for a NHRA championship. So I went with IHRA. But that's just me.

But back to the 2 or 3 day race....So we pay the same or a little more to "play" for 2 days instead of 3. But in the 3 day deal, we start to "play", then it's time for the 'big boys" and we have to get off the court. Sometimes they make a pretty big mess and we still can't go back until the mess is cleaned up and they finish. So, basically, we're "paying" for a whole day, but only get to play when it's convenient for the Pros - we get only a 1/2 day or less? Waiting on them is a waste of our time.

In the 2 day deal, sportsman play all day without interuption, without having to sit on the sidelines, all the way until late afternoon/early evening when the Pros are scheduled. Any delays would be from within our ranks or mother nature, as is the case with the 3 day version. But no interuptions or having to wait on the Pros.

That's the best I can do to see it from my perspective.[/QUOTE
Myron why do you and many of the crate motor guys feel the need to push the IHRA agenda and hate what the NHRA is standing for?
I would like a simple honest no bull answere

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You sound like one of Obamas zar's or the idiots on Capitol Hill. ....what the hell is so good about NHRA? Not that I like IHRA either. What has NHRA done for you or anyone lately except take more of your money and do NOTHING except prop up the PRO's and kick the little guy in the *****. Kind of like what is going on at the white house. . They (NHRA) dosent give a rats ***** about the sportsmen. Hell....the NHRA tried to sell them off. If you like NHRA....go with it. If you like IHRA...go with it. Race what you like but why slam the other guys for what they like just because you dont approve of their rules? Just like the Politicians we now have and the Dems AND the Replublicans.....neither are doing a good job. If it wasnt for some of the hard working tech people that I know neither association is worth 2 cents in "Yang Money" these days.

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Look I feel both need to do better
And never put me as an obamas man
But I just dont get it
They time after time beat the hell out of NHRA and in a cult like way tout how good ihra is
Both need to do better but from a racers stand point ihra is no better then nhra and by what I see is worse
I was at Epping and saw what a joke that race was and how the sportsmen were treated
IHRA did nothing for Epping this year
How snowmoblie was put before the sportsmen racers
But again I dont get it nobody says anything...
But it is ok by what I hear next year there is a big change comming...
And again it is nice to have both
But both need to work at it alot harder then they are
I sill feel a sportsmans association is needed but it will never happen
Oh and xtech many what the hell is so good about ihra VRS nhra???

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Mark,
Lots of reason! "Hate" is a harsh word, but I definitely don't like or agree with how NHRA does many things, which is why I'm not a member anymore.

* As mentioned, I can afford to race for a championship in IHRA because races take fewer days, including the double and triple-headers and fees are less. Admittedly, they pay less, but it works for me nonetheless. It seems that most, but not all, IHRA racers have less resources to work with than NHRA racers. But when it comes to driving as opposed to money, I think we can keep up with NHRA racers that are more than welcome to race with us.

* I went Crate Motor Stock because I grew up working on Holley carbs and can continue to tune on them at the track now also. I know nothing about Carter carbs and didn't want to spend $ to have someone do them for me after finding any good ones.

* Crate Motor combos tend to be easier to find parts for, so it can be less expensive overall. But they still have blueprint specs that need to be followed like regular Stockers.

* Right here on the forum is a never ending flow of complaints on how sportsman racers are treated by NHRA. Higher entry and membership fees, classes being rotated OUT of events, indiscriminate teardowns, inconsistent rule enforcement....many other hassles....just browse through past posts. No sense in going over the many pages I'm sure you've seen. These are from NHRA MEMBERS who have first-hand experience. That influences my views.

But we're getting a little off the main subject. Right now I'm defending the announced IHRA race format, not directly pushing it, because I can't understand how you can complain about 1 less day of racing when we often spent 1/2 or more of some of those days sitting around waiting for our turn after the Pros and their oildowns - if we even get another turn on a given day! So you're paying for a whole day, but not getting to use it!

How about......Would you rather pay full price for 3 bottles of Coke that are 1/2 full, or would you rather pay that same price for 2 bottles of Coke that are full?

There are other non-crate motor racers who favor IHRA also.

Yes, they both have their faults and both can make bad calls. I don't like everything that IHRA does, but overall I like IHRA better. It's a fully established fact that it's impossible to please everyone, regardless of sanction.

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I am forced by location and necessity to seriously look at the IHRA program. I've been treated well by both _HRA's in the past few years and to closely quote Dave Riberio "we need them both to be healthy" if we want a place to play. Nationals at NHRA can drag on with the need to get in the Pro show so the IHRA format may be a nice change, you can sit in the stands and watch the show without worry about being called to lanes at 10 pm or even go out the gate for a nice dinner. I think NHRA turned thier back on Virginia at exactly the wrong time this time as the track has really come around and NHRA put all of thier egges in Bruton's basket. Hope it works out for them but it sucks being in south Division 1. IHRA on the other hand just dropped some good races in my back yard. 2 days 3 days whats the diff you still have the same track time if you loose first round, if you really need that extra day off of work stop in a campground on the way home. With Hundred thousand dollar stockers out there do you think the bean counters on either side worry about a $10 or even $50 increase in gate price SERIOUSLY?

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Mark....IHRA is no better. In fact it has become far worse. Its one reason why I quit about 8 or 9 years ago. Its the "INFIGHTING" on this forum that wears thin. My association is better than yours.....No MY association is better than yours. Your classes and rules suck.......no your classes and rules suck. Its to bad but its all the sportsman racers have at the moment. The rules are what they are in either and one is no better than the other. Its a matter of choice. Some people are di hards for one or the other like politics. If you remember the early 70's IHRA had NHRA scared. IHRA had class runs at ALL of their National events and even with the many classes carried over from the AHRA rule book there was alwyas 6 to 10 or more cars per class. I feel the 90 classes diluted class racing along with the expense of keeping up with the well healed. IHRA had become an association for those who maybe didnt have as much money to travel or afford the trick of the week. The economy and management killed the rest of it. I can only hope someone with deep pockets will come along soon and want to build a true sportsman association. Myself and a few others would throw ourselves into it and help but it takes a LOT of money to get started. Oh well....Just dreaming. Sorry about the Obama comment but all of the posts started sounding like it was my way or the hi-way like what we have on Capitol Hill. Have a good evening.

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Myron,
The Coke thing was the best one I heard yet.
Chip