Re: 64 Plymouth GT/EA in Ennis
 

Thanks for helping out with that info....I wasnt sure if Daves car was a steel car or an alum piece. Its been a long time ago but I now remember his car being a Red Fury or Sport Fury????? instead of a Belvedere. Is this correct? I remember him breaking a drive shaft in the final There are some alum nosed Hemi Belvederes out there running today as listed in the NHRA Guide but I dont believe they were factory assembly line built???. Can you give us any input about the hood pin debate for the 64 2 door sedan lite wts?

Re: 64 Plymouth GT/EA in Ennis
 

I believe it was a Fury. I'm currently away from all of my documents and etc., but will be able to help tomorrow evening when I have that all at my access again. From what I can recall though, I think they were hinged.

There were assembly line built Hemi hardtops. What sheet metal they had, I cannot recall.

Re: 64 Plymouth GT/EA in Ennis
 

Looks a lot like Chuck Rayburn's car.

Re: 64 Plymouth GT/EA in Ennis
 

Again, not sure but ..Several years ago I'm fairly certain this is the same car , it was at a Swap meet here in DFW .

The fab work looks like Joe Smiths handiwork to me , and I figured that is was Mr Jim Hale cause the engine compartment was red

And I know Joe does most of the work for him or at least did ..

I sure wish I knew the rules on what fits and what doesn't etc because I must of slept thru the class that said it was ok to run Alum heads, etc. etc and all the other things that seemed to me a novice ol bracket racer
Out of place ..

Re: 64 Plymouth GT/EA in Ennis
 

Bob Pagano, Wesley doesn`t go to National events, Jim Hale ran SS/BA at Bell Rose points meet Sept. 19, Listed 68 Barracuda but 68 doesn't fit in SS/BA, I think this car had a hemi in it when Jim got the car and he put his 383 or 440 out of his 68 Barracuda in the 64 car, he was running in GT/EA, Just guessing ? Tom

Re: 64 Plymouth GT/EA in Ennis
 

I have many pictures of Hayden Proffit, Color Me Gone, Dan "Smoker" Smith, etc., and wished I could scan them on here but I dont have a scanner. They all show 4 hood pins sticking up thru the hoods, were 2 door sedans and have S/SA on the windshields in shoe polish. Some show them in the pits with the hood on the roof. Its possable that some came this way and some didnt. Maybe NHRA made a rule change back in 1964? Who knows and its not a big deal. Just all I have shows them with hood pins. Thanks again.

Re: 64 Plymouth GT/EA in Ennis
 

So the upshot of all this is that these cars never came with fiberglass hoods from Chrysler???

Re: 64 Plymouth GT/EA in Ennis
 

I just asked NHRA tech this week at Dinwiddie about fresh air in GT classes. I was told the engine going in the car had to have fresh air as original/optional equipment to run it in GT with a fresh air hood. This sounds Ok but what about a car that had a fresh air hood as original equipment with another engine? I was given the answer "it's a gray area, I'll look into it", fair enough. I don't know how you can configure a car body/hood for fresh air that didn't have it as original equipment, way out example: L88 in a Cobalt. I could see a fresh air body/hood with a different engine, wayout example#2: '68 Hemi 'Cuda body with a 273. Might be that the original engine & body BOTH had to have fresh air to be legal in GT. I thought this came up before on the forum but I couldn't find a link to it, can anybody help out?

Thanks,
Dave Outten

Re: 64 Plymouth GT/EA in Ennis
 

For what it's worth:

It's the ex-Chuck Rayburn, ex-Jim Hale '64 Hemi car. Jim ran it for a few years in the early part of the decade and then Chuck acquired it and ran it for some time. Recently, Chuck and Jim swapped cars with Chuck receiving a '68 Cuda for SS/AH competition.

I believe in GT/EA that it's a 383 combo which, if it's the 300 Hp combo, would only need to weigh 3170 for that class.

Re: 64 Plymouth GT/EA in Ennis
 

Dave
The rulebook does not allow the addition of scoops on a GT car. The GT section 9B says "The requirements and specifications for GT classes are the same as those for Super Stock classes - Section 9A - with the following exceptions:" and there are no exceptions for hoodscoops in the GT section 9B. There is, however, a phrase in SS Section 9A "Hood openings and/or hood scoops other than original equipment prohibited.". It would appear that those two statements eliminate the ability to add fresh air to a non fresh air car. Nothing I see keeps someone from running the fresh air engine in a non fresh air car , just no fresh air.