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Jeff Teuton 05-07-2009 04:29 PM
Re: No HP on the Sorenson combo?
 
Fred Henson has oficially protested his hp increase to me as the rep for Div 4. I will forward the proper stuff tomorrow to the power that be.

Jeff Teuton 05-07-2009 04:33 PM
Re: No HP on the Sorenson combo?
 
Another precedent in Div 4 (as I mentioned in another post) is the fact that some racers (who shall remain unnamed) were running the last pass at a points race light just to see how hard they could run. The had already secured their place on the sheet. Craig Hutchinson made them take the last run and informed them if they continued such behavior, they would be disqualified. This was at Hallsville, TX some a few years ago.

OLD GUY 05-07-2009 06:13 PM
Re: No HP on the Sorenson combo?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Beach (Post 119401)
I agree with you Jim, but if it is a run of 1.40 or more under and it will affect your HP rating then it should be mandatory to weigh and tear down regardless of whether you win or lose. (although not in the rule book) I think this whole thread has gotten off the topic of what really happened. I don't care if it was windy, I don't care if the scales were fluctuating, I don't care if your weather station said you were going to slow down, if you ran 1.391 under why would you take the chance of possibly going faster. I was not there but if water was indeed drained from the raditor or anyother item was removed from the car that was in the car during the run should have remained in the car when scaled (including the water). So tell me, does this set a rule of thumb for anyone that goes 1.40 under, take what you can out of the car (drain the water, drain the oil, drain the trans fluid, leave your jacket, helmet and pants with the car behind you) so that you are light and the run doesn't count? I would like to see someone get that by Bruce or Travis here in D3 ...

That is the biggest problem I have with NHRA is the inconsistancy across divisions.
Chuck you are right on the money except I believe this is a Glendora call not a divisional call. The truth of the matter is if you read the AHFS rules it states "1.40 under the sea level index you will get 3.25% HP period. It says nothing about weight, fuel check, or tear down. Sorenson went 1.408 under the sea level index he gets 3.25% HP.end of story. Altering the weight to get the run disqualified is a whole other issue and that deserves a suspension. We have two major problems here. I for one would be very curious to hear Travis's interpretation of this situation. Dan Fletcher quoted it pretty well. "ur 1.40 under ur hit"
I sure hope you aren't talking about Bruce Bachelder because I have been told that he is the guy who won't make the decision or return phone calls.

Dave Schmitz

Jack Matyas 05-07-2009 06:44 PM
Re: No HP on the Sorenson combo?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton (Post 119419)
Fred Henson has oficially protested his hp increase to me as the rep for Div 4. I will forward the proper stuff tomorrow to the power that be.
Good for him -- And the rest of us who "took" HP hits should do the same -- rules are for everyone -- believe me if I thought for a second that I could have drained my radiator and not taken a hit there would have been no choice to make -- but that "stuff" won't fly here in D1 -- and it should be the same everywhere .

442OLDS 05-07-2009 07:29 PM
Re: No HP on the Sorenson combo?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton (Post 119421)
Another precedent in Div 4 (as I mentioned in another post) is the fact that some racers (who shall remain unnamed) were running the last pass at a points race light just to see how hard they could run. The had already secured their place on the sheet. Craig Hutchinson made them take the last run and informed them if they continued such behavior, they would be disqualified. This was at Hallsville, TX some a few years ago.
I am proud to say that I race in Division 3.I can't believe anything like this would happpen in our Division.
You are saying that a car would make a qualifying run and the car was light on weight?
THEN THE RUN WOULD COUNT???
I feel bad if somebody with a slow car like mine ended up with a HEADS UP run because the ladder changed due to this.This sounds totally ridiculous.
I don't think that any runs should count for qualifying when the car was light on weight.If it goes fast enough to get horsepower (even if it was light on weight),there should be a mandatory engine tear down.

Tom Meyer 05-07-2009 07:31 PM
Re: No HP on the Sorenson combo?
 
Why if you have a problem don,t you just email div 6 and ask them instead of all this website stuff . Just go on the lucus site go to div 6 and send them your concerns or is it more fun to type it here?? You know this still has something to do with the 1.15 under at the Nal events to. We as a group should need to know some of these things. I emailed my div tech man for his ruling you all should do the same to see there veiw on this. Ron Roddels run at the winters there was no tear down he did not even run elems so mybe not to get HP but got it anyway. Tom Meyer

Ed Fernandez 05-07-2009 07:35 PM
Re: No HP on the Sorenson combo?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Meyer (Post 119447)
Why if you have a problem don,t you just email div 6 and ask them instead of all this website stuff . Just go on the lucus site go to div 6 and send them your concerns or is it more fun to type it here?? You know this still has something to do with the 1.15 under at the Nal events to. We as a group should need to know some of these things. I emailed my div tech man for his ruling you all should do the same to see there veiw on this. Tom Meyer
Do you think they would give you an honest answer?

Ed F.

Joe Schaechter 05-07-2009 07:44 PM
Re: No HP on the Sorenson combo?
 
While I can't add to why it would be different in any other division, I can tell you that at the Division 3 race in Indianapolis this year I was next to Marty Buth when he went -1.47 under his Q/SA index in his Turbo Thunderbird. After we joked about whether I saw anything blow across the track to stop the timers so early, Marty knew he had a teardown coming. There were no doubts by the tech officials at the scale as to what was going to happen. His car was weighed, a fuel check was done and an appointment in the barn was made for later that night based on the 1.40 under run. It was only after the teardown was confirmed that Marty went for the record. He had to send someone down to Autozone to get an intake gasket as he didn't even bring any!

CLERMONT, Ind. - Final order after 4 rounds of qualifying in Stock Eliminator at the NHRA Lucas Oil Drag Racing Series, North Central Division, event at O'Reilly Raceway Park at Indianapolis:

Psn--Num--Class-Driver, Home Town, Machine-----------------ET---Index---(+/-)
1 3657 Q/SA Marty Buth, Freeport IL, '86 Thunderbird 12.627 14.10 -1.473

Brian Oakes 05-07-2009 11:29 PM
Re: No HP on the Sorenson combo?
 
Just LOWER the INDEX'S and be done with this B.S.I bet over 1/2 the cars in D1 stock or Super Stock are holding a bunch, Lets get these INDEX'S lowered, so we don't worry about 1.15 and 1.40 under crap and then ya don't have to carry a ton of wt. in your trailer,LOL. Lets get this rolling, oh by the way, nice pass Sorenson Boys, that car is fast. Thanks for your time. Brian Oakes

Bob Bender 05-08-2009 12:50 AM
Re: No HP on the Sorenson combo?
 
Fix the HP factors not by dropping the index:mad:


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