Re: New '09 Chrysler' specs AA/S thru G/S
 

Kind of reminds me of back (1972?) when all pre 1960 cars were outlawed from stock elim.

Just another way of clearing out the old and bringing in the new except this time just obsoleting the old rather than just banning them.

Re: New '09 Chrysler' specs AA/S thru G/S
 

What they did back then was put the older car in Superstock. Back then the only differences were cam and valve springs, intake manifold, slicks (but no tubs) So it wasn't a big expense to convert.

Re: New '09 Chrysler' specs AA/S thru G/S
 

With the 116" wheelbase (What was Dodge thinking?) and no weight out back (rear overhang), I think the car is going to be touchy in AA/SA on marginal tracks with the automatic anyway, probably worse if the man pedal was available.

Re: New '09 Chrysler' specs AA/S thru G/S
 

This whole deal with the Challengers and the new Mustangs is a joke. Why would NHRA not factor these cars appropriately? Why would they allow purpose built race cars in stock? Always before to run stock the car had to be available to the public and be streetable. I understand some of these older cars like the L88 corvette or Max wedge cars were rare but they still could be bought from a dealer and liscensed for the street. These cars if anyone has the money to build them will make our older cars obsolete. It's a slap in the face to all of us who have worked our asses off and spent tons of money developing our combination only to see them made irrelevant by people who are destroying our sport as we know it. Why don't Chrysler and Ford have to race cars that are available to the public and are streetable? Who actually benefits from allowing these bogus cars in stock? I always heard when investigating something like this that you need to follow the money. Where is the money? If anyone thinks this is going to increase participation in stock they are a fool.

Greg

Re: New '09 Chrysler' specs AA/S thru G/S
 

Greg,
These new cars have a negative affect on more than 1,000 Stock and Super Stock racers.

It would have been very simple to put these cars in injected classes but there is clearly more going on here than meets the eye. A couple of days ago, one of the new car supporters sent me an email that said all of us old guys should move on. The new cars are here to stay and we should just take our lumps. And let them have their way.

You know, after a good nights rest, I decided this rather arrogant piece of advice to be dead-on. I'm getting the hell out of this hell hole and moving on to a flat head Ford Land Speed Car - something I have always wanted to do. But I can tell you that it will be scorched earth after my vette is gone. I think the AA through H racers should boycott these injected phony ponies and Mopars. Racers should pull into the staging lanes for class and then return to the pits when nhra calls his/her class. nhra should receive a dose of the same public humiliation that they are trying to inflct on the racers.

Re: New '09 Chrysler' specs AA/S thru G/S
 

Now maybe some can see why street rodding and many other venues are so popular. NHRA just dosent give a S##T about the little guy sportsman other than his money.

Re: New '09 Chrysler' specs AA/S thru G/S
 

Bruce,
You've got a point. Why run class anyway? YOU qualify for the eliminator (enhanced) ladder and there's very little if any money for class win.
I feel the only thing NHRA understands is when you get in their pocketbook. One way to do that is just not play their game. That's my plan. Granted, it might not make much difference but, I'm feed up with their BS.

Re: New '09 Chrysler' specs AA/S thru G/S
 

I had the opinion for a long time that many of the new cars that were being produced by the Detroit automakers were not as fast as what was made in the muscle car era. Many Stock and Super Stock racers grew up in the era of the muscle cars and had the same opinion as I did, along with much of the younger generation also. Until the New Cobra Jet Mustangs came out, I thought there was no way that any car that was close to a production car could come close to running with a 427 Fairlane or 427 Corvette but these cars changed my concept of how fast a production car could be. The Detroit automakers don't build 40 year old 427 Fairlanes and 427 Corvettes any more but the do build Mustangs,Challengers and Camaros. They needed a showcase to show how fast these cars are, and that is what they did, build cars to compete with the 40 year old Detroit Iron. Now if you want to prove the new stuff is as fast as the really fast muscle cars of a bygone era, wouldn't you want to run against them in the same class? Many guys get emotional when it comes to their cars and Stock and Super Stock racing which clouds their thinking. Now maybe it is just chance that the new Cobra Jet is rated at the 425 horsepower which happens to be the same factory rating as the 427 corvettes and 427 Fairlanes from the factory, which would make them weigh the same for aa or a stock. The Auto makers are in the car business and the parts business is only a sideline for them so what is wrong with making something that is faster than a 40 year old car? Is it wrong for them to prove that they can build something that can be fast to try to hook the new generation of car buyers like they did our generation? The car makers are trying to sell cars to a new generation of car buyers and NHRA is helping them do it because it also brings a new generation of racers to the sport. Are the guys complaining about the new horsepower factors on the Mustangs or Challengers mad because the car makers rated the new cars softer than their soft horsepower factors? Well gee that is too bad. You can let your ego get in the way or you can just go out and race. As they say If you can't beat them, then Join them. Go out and build your own Cobra Jet or Challenger if you can afford to. If you can't afford it, you don't have anything to complain about anyway because you probably don't have enough money to be the fastest A or AA Stock even if the Challengers or Cobra Jets were not there. If you think a boycott will do any good you don't know much about how NHRA thinks, because in 1980 when they got rid of Modified Eliminator, the Modified racers held a protest Parade at the U.S. Nationals down the return road, and it did not stop NHRA from getting rid of Modified Eliminator. They could care less, they will only replace you with some other bracket to use as a filler for their Pro's.

Re: New '09 Chrysler' specs AA/S thru G/S
 

dwydendorf

That is why I will NEVER enter to a national event again!!

Oh, I hav'nt entered to a national for quite some time already! I got tired of the BS long ago.

Only go to a couple of pts or an open races a year. All you suckers can have those grade pt nationals as far as I'm concerned

Greg Hill are you still having fun??

Re: New '09 Chrysler' specs AA/S thru G/S
 

Junior I still have a good time racing. This year like you I'm not going to any National events. dwydendorf I shouldn't have to build a new car to compete in stock. The organization that I'm a member of shouldn't be so corrupt that they put cars in my class that have no business being their. I still don't understand why Chrysler and Ford don't run the cars they sell to the puiblic in stock. Every other car that runs in stock was street legal at one time and generally available to the public. I'm going to my divisional races this year and probably the Sportsnational race in Columbus. Other than that it will be the d3 opens and combo races at Bowling Green and Ohio Valley.