Re: ATTN Sportsman Council Members and Racers
If we look at Bowling Green Qual sheet. A .2 move of the index only cut one SS of 60 racers. He probably had problems.
In Stock of the 64 cars running only the bottom 2 cars would have been unable to hit the index and they were having problems. If the indexes were moved down .5 then only number 60 down cars would have been affected in time trials in stock. SS would have affected #54 through 60 making them appear to not run index. Or of 124 cars time trials listed only 3 cars would have been affected in eliminations by the .2 change of index and we can be fairly sure not all got a good run... On the other change the quickest way to help the AHFS is to move the trigger as done by the committee.If it hit the top 1/2 of the qualifiers it would just make the whole field more evenly factored. This only affects people who NEED to see the big - numbers and the tougher it gets the more the smaller amount under is respected....its just habit at this point to Need to see big - numbers.. My opinion the committee made a conservative move in the best direction for the entire interest of the racers. |
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If you race flat out, your car gets factored properly, and then you can race flat out. It doesn't make sense to me to make a car go faster just to slow it down to avoid a HP hit. Save the money in the first place and put it in the gas tank. ;) -=shrug=- Don't matter to me, I guess. I just enjoy racing. |
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Jack,
I have been racing SS since 1977. I can not remenber having my index raised ever. Dick, If you do the math with the proposed changes in index and the change in the trigger they just raised the trigger by .010 not lowered it all this will do is widen the gap of the under factored combinations. |
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Mike you are correct it softened the factoring instead of tightening it. I bet they misread it too. The trigger needed to be moved the same or moved more to change the factoring point . Thanks I did mis read it....
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What is the advantage of NOT rasing the indexes?We have gotten all sorts of parts aproved, and liberal rule changes in the last 20 years, it's is about time. For the guys that are running the index and cant go faster. The Afhs will give you HP back to help. That is why it is there. If there is a guy that runs a second under in your class, and you run the index, you better work harder, or find a new class. I'm happy that the counsel is getting things done. I hope we can draw a line in the sand and no more rule changes for awhile.
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Jack,
Amen X3, Todd you are also on the money, Dick I don't see you on the qualifying sheet but you always have a lot to say ... please feel free to elaborate ... 1664SSJA, I have been racing stock eliminator since 1975, I very rarely see new faces, If I do, it is a current stock eliminator's son, daughter, brother in law, etc. If you can't run the index in stock or super stock or you don't have the money maybe these classes aren't for you. This is not a socialistic class, IT IS A PERFORMANCE CLASS. Try bracket racing .... |
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Chuck, It was pointed out that if a car had to run 1.4 under an old index. Lets use 11.00 index he had to run 9.6 to trigger the hp hit. If the new index is moved to 10.80 and the trigger -1.3 under that he now has to run FASTER or 9.5 to get hit. I believe they missed this in the meeting and intended to make the AHFS tighter which would have required making the trigger -1.1 under (the new index) or 9.70 to be factored.
And Nope, not on the Q sheet at this time. Havent actively raced since 98 Nationals. 10 years WOW that is a long time without doing any class racing...If I could get my drivers (kids) back interested TOP/STK would be our goal. |
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Discussing correcting the factoring problem is one part of the discussion. Of the people who CAN afford to race in Stock or SS and plan to stay competitive that is one discussion.
The expense of Stock and SS racing is another issue. Making the bar higher for recreation of better factoring can affect the cost. Then its back to should everyone be able to "afford" current Stock or SS? Should the entry level classes be a different class like old pure stock? The current costs and class descriptions are not for everyone it is true.... Local tracks still run bracket Cheaper programs close to home and the only difference from current points meets is the friends might not be there. I am not sure the programs of Stock and SS could or should be ruled by a cost number to make it "affordable" by more people. Maybe a fresh look at specs legal in a class like Spec motor class only one car for everyone would work for new people. |
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Ed, we all know you are talking about Jeff Teuton...Jeff is in touch with all the racers and he has always had an open door to help and talk about any issues with any racer. By the way, Jeff was one of the last ones that got involved with the creation of the Top Stock class. |
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