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If Class Eliminator is no AHFS, how about making Stock Eliminator at Indy no AHFS as well? That would be exciting!

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I seem to recall that back in the 70's, the Mopar factory guys did something like that. They had a sperate race at another track to predetermine who would win class so they wouldn't get dinged when they ran class at Indy.

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You?ll have that attitude and mentality until you get a fast combo and want to protect your investment. If you go out and get some hp for no reason other than to show everyone how fast you are, you will kick yourself in the *** a few weeks later when you lose a heads up by a hundredth or so.

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I still stand by what I said when I was at Indy last, 2 years ago:

I wish there was a good solution to the AHFS problem because I understand the arguments against turning it off. But there's something to be said when Indy consists of 300 of the baddest S/SS cars in the country - and every one of them has the loud pedal welded to the floor.

To play devil's advocate, isn't it even more boring when every race is a battle to see who can get closest to -0.999 under the index?

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This time of year, is always fun reading about S/SS indexes and AHFS. How to fix it? what is right, etc. AHFS was made to create a level playing field, which cannot be achieved when most engines are not even legal. Before you start with the BS "I am legal, I just work harder" My cars run -.50 to-.70 under. I know what it takes to go -1.00, I choose not to spend the $. My choice, no complaints.

Complaining sounds ridiculous.

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How was this decision made?

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Is this what it's become? Has The AfHS seized control of Class Racing's soul?

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Just maybe NHRA is trying to level out the field , the soul has been out of control for years now with those that are willing to spend endless amounts of money to push the rules way beyond the legal limits . I guess it's what one thinks about how seizing control of class racing ,will it help class racing to continue or die because of cost

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Well, I guess that's one way to cut down on the " no chillers in the staging lanes " problem.

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Yes, and also Junior Dragturds in an adult show have no buisness being there too.

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In my very humble opinion the AHFS should not apply for the following;

Heads up runs during the eliminator at all races.
Class eliminations at races on the Super Stock/Stock Class Racing Schedule
National Opens.
Never at the U.S. Nationals!

Also, adjust the damned Indexes by .20!

Make Class Racing Great Again! (MCRGA)

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Make Tech Inspection mean something again! (MTIMSA) ;-)

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All of these people across social media making long winded statements about how they aren't going to Indy, yet Stock is still overfull, and the entry list in Super Stock keeps increasing in size by the day. Interesting....

Maybe we should just get rid of the AHFS entirely and go back to when HP was given at NHRA's discretion like they did in the "good 'ole days." News flash, if they get rid of the AHFS entirely, and people start showing the numbers they worked/paid so dearly for, the NHRA still has the right to give them horsepower anyway... Back in the day at least they would usually make an effort to determine a car was legal before whacking an entire combo.

My opinion may be skewed because all of my stuff is "junk," but I really don't understand who everyone is "saving" these combos for anyway. Unless you come from a racing family, no one my age and younger is going to decide to run Stock or Super Stock, so you aren't saving it for the "youngsters." The median age of racers in our classes is probably somewhere in the 60s, with a decent number in their mid to late 70s and early 80s, and last I checked, HP factors don't matter much in the nursing home, so saving it for yourself is a battle that no one wins unless you're immortal. I just don't get it.

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The Super Bowl of Drag Racing has been slammed! Now 1000 foot racing and lots of brake action, why to go NHRA! You ruined the Big Go!

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Nah, they didn't ruin it. On Monday afternoon someone will be crowned 2025 US Nationals Champion, and that will mean 1000X more than some dude with Comp money in a Stocker or Super Stocker outrunning someone else for a trophy.

Fact of the matter is, Indy will have no problem filling up, AHFS or not.

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Indy when I went the the 6 times starting in 2006 the ahfs was in effect people complained
But the racers still raced and either control there cars and won class
Sheeet I borrowed Joe Lisa car was 6 slowest in E/SA and won class
My reward was. PULL PISTON AND ROD
3 cars went in. And I WAS THE ONLY LEGAL CAR IN THE BARN
So you don?t have to be the fasted to win class.
But there was always a guy who built a Mr Softy combo to be #1
And them combos which went STUPID FAST GOT WHAT THEY DESERVED
HP
And you never saw that combo again
So go to Indy and try not to go 130 under
And if you can go 130 under you should get HP
Indy is like racing on the moon. No air. Good luck to all

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Indy to me is a place to go, I don't want someday to be saying to myself "I should've gone". Life is too short to worry about HP to your combo. I'm always spending money on the car trying to go faster. One year I won a tool box because I was at Indy, go if you can. Look at all the past years and you'd see me at the bottom of qualifying. Do I care, very little. But I can say I was there, HP or not.

Casey Miles
248H Stock

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James
I had a front row seat on your class win with a legal car. I remember you celebrating all the way down the track. An Indy Class win is worth more than the work it took to get there plus you will be a Indy class winner for life.

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I wonder how well the '69 Camaro 255 cars will do in class? After all, it's a lifetime of work and investment, so it's their time to shine...

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And the same can be said for any popular 40-50 year old combo.

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"Back in the day, the NHRA would usually make an effort to determine if a car was legal before whacking an entire combo."

Obviously this only applies when NHRA Administrators want to go by their own rules. The car in question at the Orlando race by-passed fuel check, run was thrown out, because NHRA's own rules state you must provide a fuel sample, that run would have made that car #1 qualifier, but it wasn't #1 on the sheet. Even one of NHRA's own LONG TIME tech personnel question this, HE WAS FIRED! But, that combination still got hit with 15 horsepower! It's time for everyone to realize, no matter what happens, what the NHRA says goes, even when they don't go by their own stated rules, they are right, you are wrong! That's final, you have no say in the matter. And if you DARE question them on using their own rules, you can be fined, band from competition, or even be torn down at several races at their discretion for complaining. BUT, they can still hit a combination with that horsepower even by not going by their own rules. Why can't we as members of the NHRA have a say in this, or have the ability to vote these dictators out! This is NOT what Walley Parks intended for OUR sanctioning body to be like. All I can say is, Long live the IHRA!

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In that particular situation, doesn't the racer have some responsibility? Bypassing the scales to get around the rules is kind of shady....

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The story is the racer went back to the trailer and was seen or caught pouring generator gas in the fuel cell so it would fail. And he had already had a valid first run going 1.10 under or something like that.
Correct me if I am wrong. There were several stories when it happened, and the racer has not been back at a race since. But they all point to that he bypassed the scales/fuel check on purpose.
Is that how you get away with not getting the trigger?

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Yes usually this run would not be allowed and thrown out due to the fuel check situation. In fact the run was thrown out, by the NHRA officials, because of the non fuel check issue. BUT......NHRA still used the run towards the 1.30 automatic trigger of the AHFS. And then they hit that specific combination with 15 horsepower, since it was a run 1.30 under that index. But again, if the run was thrown out, due to failing fuel check requirements set by the NHRA rules, why was that run used to hit that combination, if it did not comply with NHRA's own stated rules?

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The hit was to inflict as much pain as possible to a large group of over 30 racer with 69 Camaros. With the sanctioning body inability to open hoods now. They are now just bullies and dictators. The hay day of class racing is over. There policy are ruining the sport. No wonder so many are quitting.

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I have lost runs for being to heavy and for being to light. With VP 12 have lost runs due to last week sample was different from this week sample.

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So you put that in parody of intentionally contaminating a fuel sample so it won't count?
Suppose he was throwing weight out of the car before the scales, would that be considered the right thing to do to protect his average and fellow racers that run his combo?

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It appears clear to me if you bypass them your hiding something or trying to avoid HP. My issue is I?ve heard stories of people pointing out they are cheating to avoid HP. The 6 month ban is no where near serious enough. 5 year ban would maybe prevent these lowlifes from corrupting the system.

Any contestant who posts an elapsed time that would result in an immediate horsepower or index adjustment, must report to Technical Services for validation of the run. Any contestant failing to report to Technical Services for validation of the run for (weight, fuel, etc., including ?driving by? the scales), shall be disqualified from the event and suspended for a minimum of six (6) months. The event shall be charged against the driver?s annual quota of scored events with zero points awarded. The NHRA retains the authority to recognize the validity of any race result, or time recorded, in cases where there may be attempts to discredit the run.

The decision to adjust horsepower or to reduce the index will be at the discretion of the NHRA Tech Department

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NHRA U.S. Nationals Stock and Super Stock Runs To Be Included In Automatic Horsepower Factoring System
NHRA has announced that the Automatic Horsepower Factoring system will be used during this year?s NHRA U.S. Nationals. As a result, runs made by Stock and Super Stock competitors at any time during the event will count towards class averages, used to trigger index or horsepower reviews.

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Thanks

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I would say more racers move away from Stk and SS because of the increased cost of racing including entry fees, and plummeting payouts than lack of tech. Been thru a lot of tech in my nearly 50 years of Stock racing and I don't miss it a bit.

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Stock class is still the biggest class in any division according to the point system.

Paul H

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Yes according to Nitro Joe's stats in 2023 1320 racers competed in at east 1 NHRA event. Cant find my 2024 book right now for a count of last year.

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Nitro Joe’s 2024 shows 1346 racers in Stock. 984 in Super Stock.

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I am happy to report I was one of the new additions in 2024. Still loving the stock elim class more than I ever thought I would.

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Same here, new to stock eliminator in 2024. Raced super street and gas in the 80’s and 90’s. About 20 full passes on stocker -.761 best, I guess now the hard part starts, looking for those extra 2 - 3 tenths!

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https://www.nhraracer.com/content/ge...241&zoneid=132

Looks like it is a done deal.

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The N.H.R.A. obviously follows ClassRacer.Com. as they should.

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I think NHRA should let our S/SS Division Reps. vote for what most of us, there constituants want. But I guess it's silly of me to think that NHRA would
consult us....HA