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So many comments to make, but I'll restrain myself to one. Desperately hoping this is isn't a replay of when Harley Davidson bought its way into the NHRA.

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Has anybody even tried the Turbo 180 mail truck transmission?

I guess this means the cobrajets can run a turbo 200, right?

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just throw the rule books away to let some BS combo compete, this is why people are leaving stock for bracket racing etc,

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This car has a VIN.

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Interesting car. Little bit shorter wheelbase at 97.2", but not much rear overhang. Probably be listed in the guide at 3,250 lbs shipping weight and maybe rated at 350 hp which would make it a natural "C" car for stock.

Just my guesses.

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LOL Just answer whatever question you like.
If you don't want to, just add your own question.

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So... when do '69 Camaros get rollers and a 9"...?
Asking for a friend...

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It's possible NHRA is just soliciting participation from the largest auto manufacturer in the world (by a large margin) in order to gain sponsorship and participation. And while I understand the 'purist' view point having a Toyota stocker is more reasonable than having a "Camry" bodied funny car or stamping TOYOTA on a Hemi (or Camry in NASCAR). Toyota's leadership was smart enough to recognize that EV's aren't the perfect solution other manufacturers seemed to buy into so I'd say let them play on our playground and see how it unfolds.

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In the process of spending a couple grand getting my c4 done...should I have went with t-350 or 700r? Not sure what has less rolling resistance.......

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Give the friends name.
I do not want rollers, or a 9".
It is more showroom available and has a true VIN than a CobraJet, COPO, or a DragPak. I think most of the aforementioned owners will be truly butt hurt over the possibility of not having the big...er...quickest car at the track. Add in the possibility it is truly a street driven, showroom available car.

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Never. Same goes for an aluminum center section in a 69 Mustang.
Just old "junk" to them.
Although you guys pay in a bunch of money for entries. They don't care though.
I wonder how much this shakedown is worth?

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Most likely inevitable. In a way I kind of like the car.
Lets play a game: Guess the shipping weight and NHRA horsepower :)
Im in at 2900 pounds and 325 hp?

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Something seperate from the car itself:

Is this the same situation Chevy, Ford, and Dodge are in this decade+? With only a single High Performance model or a Factory Package in the Classification Guide? With no "normal" cars from those Makes?

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Well...they already run the TH-400 and Powerglide.
Due to the weight and torque, I do not think a TH-200 will live in an FS car.

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Rory,
It is the same situation when cars that were available with a Powerglide only, were allowed to run a 3-speed auto. In the case of this car, it is available with a GM transmission from the factory. Therefore, they are applying the same rule as allowing to run a TH-200 in lieu of the OEM TH-350 or TH-400. Even if GUMP ran the OEM GM transmission, there are already parts such as high performance valve bodies and torque converters in the market. Also, Sonnax and TransGo make high performance internal components for the OEM transmission.

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why would you even want a 9 inch ? aside from some gear ratio options and ease to swap center section there is no performance advantage other then maybe the gear option ratios offered but I doubt much if any . Further more from what I understand the 12 bolt has less reciprocating weight( I don't know that for a fact ) but I did read somewhere some of the fast Hemi Cars has 12 bolts in them if I recall I could be wrong .

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Joe, and when when NHRA decided to allow 3 speed automatics to replace the 2 speed Powerglide, the 3 speeds allowed were required to be of the same manufacturer, and directly bolt to the engine. Last I checked, (and I was a Toyota dealership tech for 24 years before I retired), and although we did have a Subaru powered model, none of cars or trucks came with GM built transmissions. I wonder how much $$$ Toyota had to slide across the table at the NHRA office, to get this car, which is looking more like a Factory GT/"Paper Tiger" car, into the NHRA Classification Guide?

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There was actually a discussion about using a Toyota rear. The "no truck rears" got us there. I personally feel that would have been much cooler. But, the rules say a 9 inch is OK.

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None.

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This Toyota AND the Copo,Mustang and Challenger’s would be SUPER COOL if NHRA had created an FX class instead of including them in stock eliminator.

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I agree, the fans would have really liked to discuss the merits of the strongest toyota truck axle for racing, just like in the off road racing environment, I'd guess the toyota is stronger and maybe a touch less resistance than the boring 9 inch. NHRA has missed a opportunity there.

The common man/fan can afford a older V8 4 runner or GX, they can and should be hotrodded with tunes, and headers. A full time 4 wheel drive 4 runner is how my children first drove on the track. Still own my 08 V8 that got me started in this poor lifestyle choice!

Does this mean that Toyota will be paying sportsman contingency for Toyota car and truck owners for wins and class? Lets face it Toyota has more $ than the other makers combined, and it would be nice to see a resurgence of $ towards the sportsman.

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So instead of adding all cars to all the manufactures sheets, instead, they allow yet another make with one entry.
Want to run a new car? Your choice is mustang/camaro/challenger...for big $$$$$
Want to run any other vehicle from the manufacturers? Go back to 19XX!!

If the manufacturers don't care I guess there's nothing we can do about it....

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So, I'm probably making a big mistake, but I have agreed to let Bobby ask me the tough questions next Tuesday.

Ask anything you want and I will give you my honest take.

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I don't see where the 6 cyl. Toyo block has the traditional GM RWD bell housing pattern. So how much did the adapter...I mean safety shield cost and who paid for it? Is it commonly available now?

(Question for Bobby to ask)

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I agree, running a a Ford rear end in a car that has less than 500 ft/pounds of torque is like dropping a boat anchor behind you, I've seen one cobra jet in Gainsville run a 8.8 rear end with no problems in FS/E.

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Just remember that these cars are SMALL about the size of a Chevy Vega or Ford Pinto maybe a 67 Camaro in Height, Width, Length 102+ inch wheelbase & factory weight of about 3300 pounds , that's for a production car not a stripped down for racing car-- they are factory rated at 368 HP or about 8.7 to 9.2 pounds per HP--- looks like they would fit in B/C/D or FS/F, G,H with out any refactoring or fudging on the numbers---look online in April 2024 a Supra was running at No Problem and ran 12.15 at 116 MPH ---didnt look like he was really working it hard!!!--- Am I WRONG??? Fed 387

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Does it have EPA and NHTSA certification? Can it be purchased at a local dealer, and be insured and licensed for street use?


A VIN means nothing. That does not make it a street car, nor does it make it meet the spirit or original intent of the rules to allow vehicles to race in Stock Eliminator.


While I can appreciate your efforts, and I congratulate you on your success, the car belongs in a Factory Stock class.


Let's be honest, these cars (the factory race cars) are only in existence because SOME OEM's will ONLY participate IF they are given a ticket to DOMINATE a class.

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I don't really...
12 bolt is probably faster anyway...
But why not?
If the others don't have to play by the same rules...

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Be sure to tune in LIVE and ask your own questions! Tuesday night 8:30EST on Facebook.com/driverinterviews or YouTube.com/@driverinterviews

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I love common sense and agree with this statement, especially when I can race my street car in two IHRA CLASSES. The other bonus is i can race for 20k, and 25k in the finals of IHRA Sportman finals. No fuel check, no safety equipment other than a 2015 helmet. Stock Eliminator in it's current form reminds me of the Old Presidents cup before Hydrofoils, the most money being spent in a sport to go that slow.

And don't forget, this toyata stocker could run on the same track without any sfi safety equipment as long as it doesn't go faster than 10.0 et at 154mph... The second you put a Stock designation on it NHRA THROWS THE SAFETY RULE BOOK AT YOU. CAGE, BELTS, SFI BELL HOUSING. What a joke.

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Is that A/C Cobra replica still Nhra legal? What happened to it?

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M/SA , 13.07 index at Vegas...Roll bar , two year belts, SFI jacket , pants..
Nice job NHRA...That's how you get young people into Stock E

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Mark,

The Toyota Supra is based on the BMW Z4 platform.

It is basically, a BMW Z4 with the Toyota Supra sheet metal.
The engine is the inline BMW 3.0 6-cylinder B58 platform.

The chassis and driveline is BMW, and the transmission is a General Motors 5L50, also used in the late model Cadillacs.

It should be called the Z4-Yota... :D:D:D

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Joe ,this is beginning to sound like a Shifty Schiff hearing. Am I going to have to call my lawyer in on this one?
This doesn't look like a THM 400 bolt pattern to me >
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Hence my original question..
I see so much smoke , I can't even see the mirrors LOL

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BTW, while I'm here..How many showroom available cars does it take for acceptance in Stock?
Used to be 500 ..So what is it now ? Fifty ? One (1) ? ...Zero?

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Why don't you tune in on Tuesday and pitch that question? I would personally rather help Bobby get some ratings than beat it to death on here.

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And the answer to your production numbers is between 2,500 and 7,500 (approx.) each year since 2020.

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Good idea. I thought about that but I'm in a shaky internet area right now.
I wanted to throw a few out in advance, here. Someone else might have to pick up on them next week.

Meanwhile, I'd love to see one of your GTOs as a Stocker..You know...see how good you really are LOL

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They didn't make 500 Thunderbolts and they are running in Stock?

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I know it...not to mention a C4 bolted to an FE ;-)