Re: Season averages
 

Who you calling crusty old poop?

Re: Season averages
 

Well, I guess if the shoe fits..............;-)

Re: Season averages
 

I wonder when the naughty or nice list will arrive?

Paul

Re: Season averages
 

Agreed = You can be rich and still be slow.
I know.

Re: Season averages
 

A little bit of history on the AHFS: This was actually a racer request, or at least that of the vocal minority. At one time, you never knew when and if you would get a hp adjustment. There was a “secret committee” who made the determination. Then on this, or the forum out of MN, the racers started discussing a system of calculating hp adjustments. I won’t say that Jeff Teuton was the leader, but he was more the “administrator” gathering the information, determining what was the majority opinion (of those who commented), and presenting it to NHRA. So, we got what we asked for. It’s been adjusted over the years, but basically it was a racer request.
Also, “hiding all that you got” is nothing new. If you look at the mph of Class Winners for results from the ‘70’s, you’ll see that many winners had extremely low mph for the ETs that they ran.
So, I don’t know the answer to the sandbagging problem, but it does seem more prevalent now than ever.

Re: Season averages
 

I would fair guess the news will come Friday before the NHRA office closes for the year. I'm sure someone(s) worked hard or requested to get Hp off. I'll be honest I sent a letter to St. Nick..

Paul

Re: Season averages
 

Remember there is no hp decrease on combo once it had earned HP any time in its life
Also hp was given on the average of 85under and they averaged the % over 85under

Now hp is given to a combo on a % of the combos fastest run of the year
It’s gonna be interesting what combo gets The Hammer on HP
It could will be ugly
Question is will the new system even the playing field or ruin peoples combos
We will see soon

Re: Season averages
 

Well ya know Ponko, If NHRA would stop giving enhancements to certain "people's combos" then maybe they wouldn't get ruined.

Re: Season averages
 

I was eyeballing a U/SA combo. I probably won't get help there. I was told I might shoot my eye out.

Paul

Re: Season averages
 

Hey BP
How about that cam change? You know the one with less lift and duration! OH! Yogi That is just the "Average Cam" LOL

Re: Season averages
 

So Adger are you saying instead of fixing the AHFS you would rather see about ONE THOUSAND STOCKER'S SCRAP THEIR MOTORS and go back to the old cam rules of the 70's. I think you would be in the MINORITY on that one. But if that's the cam anyone wants to use go for it. There is nothing stopping anyone from using the old style cam shafts. They are still legal to run in Stock. My lift would stay the same. My cars also ran fast under those rules. I never asked for any of the enhancements we have been given. But I do believe in the old saying that I'm not going to bring a knife to a gun fight. Especially in the classes I hang out in. I go to Indy as often as I can. Been apart several times with different cars and combo's. Including under old rules of lift, duration overlap and spring pressure. Not once been bounced. BP

Re: Season averages
 

No rules changes, no going back...
Just saying if you want to save the "Average" put an "Average" cam in it.
OF Course Billy Nees would say just put shorter ratio rocker on.
That is the "easy way" and it would be real easy to go back to "Bad A^^ mode....

Re: Season averages
 

I just hope they don't hit a certain soft combo before I get it built! LOL!

Re: Season averages
 

Adger, I get you really didn't mean it but why even say it. It just adds to the list of stupid things that are said to correct the problems with the AHFS. Then you follow it up by another stupid Idea. Put a smaller cam in it to slow it down. It may work for those combo's that have almost no one running in their class. But the popular classes get heads up races all the time. The last thing I'm going to want to try to get done is a cam or rocker arm changes before a heads-up race. At Columbus Sports Nationals in 2022 I had back-to-back heads up races in the 3rd and 4th round. With two cars that are good and not far behind me. I would have never made it to the line if I needed to do big changes like that.
Not that I really care if they drop the indexes by one or two tenths. But here is another thing that some say that makes no sense to me. If they drop the indexes by one or two tenths that will just put the faster cars ahead of me by more. How's that? We all get our indexs hit and the faster cars will still be only x amount of tenths faster the same they were before. Even Billy admitted after seeing the class averages at the end of last year said the indexes were soft and should be hit. I still don't think they need to hit them to fix some of the problems BP

Re: Season averages
 

I know some combos that are not going to whacked with a hammer. And some that will most likely get some HP taken off.

Also there are some that I see that has me saying, you deserved it. Period.

Re: Season averages
 

So when do they go on their "vacation" ? I mean their scheduled one.
Next Friday ,then?

Re: Season averages
 

I think that is correct.
They will Get out of Dodge City as soon
as they are posted generally.

Re: Season averages
 

And I will add that I have not put skinnies on my FWD junk either...Yet!

Re: Season averages
 

Yeah? NO kidding. But I have one of each of those cars. One is liked more than the other. I'm doing what I can with both. One's a stick, one's an auto, one's RWD, the other is FWD, one has a computer OE, the other has a carburetor. One runs quite a ways under (legal), the other runs .45 over. But only 1 has skinnies. Either one take effort, a little savvy and money.


Yeah we NEED more of these. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Re: Season averages
 

Is there a place to go and see what your class average was for the year?

Re: Season averages
 

Move the average trigger the 10th or 15hundred they moved the auto trigger.
Fixed!