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I believe the the last decade of penalties handed out have not been harsh enough. The penalties must be directly related to future participation of a competitor and not monetary. We are not pros, we do not get paid to show up; therefore imposing a monetary fine on a sportsman competitor is absurd. The general population of sportsman competitors do this as a hobby and for fun. An extended period off from competition will definitely be more of a deterrent from cheating than getting a single race suspension and/or fine. All Bryan was trying to explain is that the NHRA's penalty spectrum has shrunk down to a "one size fits all" penalty for every infraction. You cannot actually believe that a competitor who inaccurately fills in their tech card, not resulting in any sort of competitive advantage can be compared to or given the same penalty as an illegal driveline component? NHRA needs to sit down, draw out all the infractions/penalties in black & white and stick to it. There will always be people over penalized and under penalized; however, if everyone involved knows they are all being treated equally, that is the end result, I believe, most of us would be willing to accept.
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Any bets on Gary paying the fine. I don’t think so. NHRA killed that cash cow. Give him a little time off and NHRA has a chance he might return.
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Larry, I think You are right.
These fines to sportsmen are not the same as the fines to professionals. The Pro's have it covered with sponsors or in their budget. The Mom and Pop racer is already hitting the retirement 401K hard just to get to the track. The sportsman fine could be taking food off the table or the kids college fund. NHRA needs to rethink that. There is a better way for the NHRA police to enforce the rules. BTW I'm like Billy. If I ever got a monetary fine I would pack it in. In my last retirement period (since 2010) from NHRA I have found a lot of things to do that are as satisfying and as personally challenging as the races. I've spent a lot of time flying my planes and working on them. I think it is actually quite a bit cheaper than what I spent racing & the family enjoys it more. |
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In your (everyone) opinion, does this QFT Stock/Super Stock legal carb have "polished" boosters?
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Tech officials control tear downs make decisions on parts
Home office California makes the call on penalties $$$$ It’s nhra fault for having no tech. Some people try and take advantage and you get what happened at Gainesville Human nature. Take the easiest path to victory. |
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I was there at the tech trailer in Gainesville when they tore Mr. Summers down. They had to take pictures of the carburetor and send those pictures via cell phone to some one NOT at the tech trailer, and I assume NOT even at the event. Why would they have to do that? Are the tech officials at the race not qualified enough to determine if the carb was illegal? This is the second time NHRA has confiscated one of Mr. Summers Carburetors, and NO they did not let him have either one back! That is theft in my opinion. Why do they keep it? Why has that carburetor passed tear down at SEVERAL other divisional races, then all the sudden not pass at another? And again, WHY are they sending pictures to some one "Off sight" to make the decision if it's illegal? If Venturi size and throttle blade size are the determining factors, how can they say "Polished Boosters", which they actually told him were, "Too Shiny" be the reason for saying it's illegal? I guess NHRA can make up any reason to say the carburetor is "Modified". The NHRA rule book should specifically state in black and white with actual descriptions of what is illegal. It shouldn't be up to the tech inspectors at the event to make a determination without showing the competitor specifically what is illegal with the parts in question. The tech officials wouldn't even show Mr. Summers where in the rule book that he violated the rules! They just told him that it was, "Modified", again, with no specific rule pointed out from the rule book. It's like they just determined it was modified, and how bad don't you like it, and oh by the way, we are keeping your carburetor.
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From the NHRA Replacement parts list under NOTES
Replacement Carbs - *All venturi dimensions include the .015" maximum allowance/tolerance for Rochester Qudrajets/Edelbrock replacements and .005" for all other carburetors. - Modifications are limited to disabling the choke operating mechanism; replacing boosters, jets, needles and seats, accelerator pumps (with same volume only), and squirters; replacing or modifying float assemblies and metering rods; resizing existing fuel and air bleed passages; and drilling idle holes in the primary throttle plates. The original bodies, base plates, float bowls, and metering blocks are required. |
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Ok, Summers did not modify any external parts. It states that boosters can be replaced, well his boosters are the originals from the manufacturer! So how can they say they were modified, if the rules state that they can be replaced? Again, they claimed that they were, "Too shiny". Where does it state in the rule book that they can't be, " Too shiny"!
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It does appear to have a polished finish. It looks like a tumble deburr machine, or a Centrifugal Barrel Finishing Machine with a mid size XM media. Or what theyre calling REM finishing. IMHO. |
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That's not even the right carburetor. Summer's is 2 barrel.
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But, if that is an approved nhra carburetor, and it "Appears" to have polished boosters, why would Summer's be illegal?
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BUT, replacement carbs are legal. For some applications within stock, a replacement QFT is legal. Holley makes a replacement 2bbl carb. Thats as much as I'm sayin. One of my cars uses a carb similar to the Summers application. :rolleyes: :D
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