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Dano 04-17-2020 03:53 PM

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Before I get hammered on this, this info was from WSJ

Mark Yacavone 04-17-2020 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Noland (Post 612531)
10 people max. All the rest is fluff. Bader could care less about a Summit Race or a test'n tune. He wants the bucks that only a mega event can bring in and he ain't getting it until the Governor says he can. And as a side note most governors are now saying that there will be no large sporting events until fall of 2021.

I don't recall BB saying what he wanted to open with.
A track that size wouldn't make any money from a Summit race, with the cost of glue, crew, etc. However , I would give the local help a paycheck , so they would still be available for the bigger events, down the road.
I guess I'm just the type who doesn't like to assign nefarious motives to a businessman trying to save his business.

Mike Jones 04-17-2020 04:06 PM

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I work for an "essential" manufacturing company. There are a few thousand employees. Most of us wear masks, some wear gloves too. It has become second nature for me to clean common areas with a bleach/ water blend, wash, wash, wash my hands and use sanitizer often. Need to lotion up too. Folks with medical conditions have been allowed to stay home for 3 weeks. Most of us are pretty good at social distancing, not talking directly at each other, etc, by now. The cafeteria is open, but everything is wrapped up. We have had a couple of COVID-19 cases, but no deaths as far as I know. In the beginning it was sketchy: we didn`t know what to expect and we were all on edge. Everyone is pretty comfortable with work, at this point.
We are looking forward to testing kits, to make sure we are all clear. Social distance, wash, wash, wash. We can beat this.
Mike A114

Ty Kwaiser 04-17-2020 04:27 PM

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I am at work and shouldn't be wasting time on the internet but this is the first opportunity I have had to sit since 0630 today and it is now 1615 in the afternoon and I wanted to see what is happening with my racing family. Part of the shelter-in-place is to reduce the risk of spread and reduce the potential contact sources. The other part of shelter-in-place is to reduce the risk of harm to oneself, or others, necessitating the need to enter the health-care system for treatment for an injury that may have been avoidable. Injuries happen, even going to the fridge to grab another beer, but wrenching on or under a car, engaging in racing activities, riding your motorcycle, joy-riding the streets because no one else is on the road and gasoline is a buck-fifty-a-gallon, all increases risk of injury.

No one, and I mean no one, wants to expose themselves to the hospital-setting with the Covid-19 floating around. Sit tight, take it easy, live to race another day. Sure this is wrecking the economy, but it is the best option we have at the moment to contain this.

Trust me, I know.

Dwight Southerland 04-17-2020 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Stan Weiss (Post 612518)
Hi Dwight,
I think you 98% might be a little high. But the real question is what is the mortality rate in the older age group which many here fall into?

Stan

I think 98% is low. There is no telling how many people contracted the virus, never symptomized. We mostly only test those with symptoms. I agree about the older age group assessment, but that is why I said do what you want to do. I don't see going to a drag race as any more probable for exposure than WalMart, Walgreen's, or the grocery store.

Dwight Southerland 04-17-2020 04:57 PM

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Lest anyone assume I am some extreme right-wing wacko, understand that I work for the state government at a level that I was included in making the decision to close our state capitol building and to send all our staff home except essentials. But I tend to see things from a reality view rather than emotional. I have made decisions my entire life mitigating the risk involved. I do not need someone else telling me about the danger of one thing or another and I sure don't need more fear based explanations justifying some arbitrary authority destroying our country.

Bruce Noland 04-17-2020 05:04 PM

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"arbitrary authority" Who or what are you talking about?

Bruce Noland 04-17-2020 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 612536)
I don't recall BB saying what he wanted to open with.
A track that size wouldn't make any money from a Summit race, with the cost of glue, crew, etc. However , I would give the local help a paycheck , so they would still be available for the bigger events, down the road.
I guess I'm just the type who doesn't like to assign nefarious motives to a businessman trying to save his business.

And likely kill one or two.

Chevy55 04-17-2020 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Bailey (Post 612484)
You guys up north might not be exposed to this, yet, because of the weather. But most every Golf Course, including County owned, are open in Florida. Social distancing is not a problem when playing golf with me …. But, if you can social distance enough to play golf, my thought is with a little common sense it can be done at the drags.


The golf courses were open here on Long Island and they got so crowded that they were all shut down last week.

They even pulled the cups an inch and half out of the hole and all you had to do was hit the cup, saved everybody from reaching in the hole.

Gregg Luneack 04-17-2020 05:30 PM

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Quarintine, inforced isolation for a fixed period of time for persons infected
or exposed to a contagious disease.
Tyrany, absolute power arbitrarily or unjustly admistered, a cruel exercise
of power.
You decide?

ken robinson 04-17-2020 05:35 PM

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Dam dirty Chinese .

Superfan1 04-17-2020 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete Lanciers (Post 612489)
On this day last month we had lost 100 Americans to Covid 19, today we have lost more than 34,000... think real hard about that the next time some fool tries to convince you the danger has passed... Protect one another. All life is precious!

Try telling that to Rod Greene; he repeatedly refers to COVID-19 as a "hoax".

Mark Yacavone 04-17-2020 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Noland (Post 612546)
And likely kill one or two.

I suppose . This virus and several other are not going away permanently, ever.
I suppose someone could catch it at a campaign rally , debate audience, or polling place, later this year too.
Probably then, the best thing for Trump to do, is declare another state of emergency, issue an executive order, and suspend all campaigns and election for one year.
Ya in?

Superfan1 04-17-2020 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland (Post 612540)
I think 98% is low. There is no telling how many people contracted the virus, never symptomized. We mostly only test those with symptoms. I agree about the older age group assessment, but that is why I said do what you want to do. I don't see going to a drag race as any more probable for exposure than WalMart, Walgreen's, or the grocery store.

The amount of exposure going to a drag race would depend on the number of people in attendance. There will be thousands in attendance at the National event in late June, sitting side by side in the grandstands, which would create a much higher chance for exposure than being in a Walmart, Walgreen's or grocery store. However, late June is two months from now; so we will have to see what progress is made in containing this disease.

Gregg Luneack 04-17-2020 06:11 PM

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From Google, each year there are about 100,000 cases of flu reported in the USA
with about 36,000 deaths, with the Chinese covid 19 there are about
680,000 reported cases with about 35,000 deaths, do the math.

Superfan1 04-17-2020 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Gregg Luneack (Post 612555)
From Google, each year there are about 100,000 cases of flu reported in the USA
with about 36,000 deaths, with the Chinese covid 19 there are about
680,000 reported cases with about 35,000 deaths, do the math.

The numbers you are quoting are from an entire flu season. The numbers for COVID-19 are increasing on a daily basis and will continue to do so. No one will know what the final numbers will be until the virus is completely contained, and that doesn't appear to be any time soon.

Chevy55 04-17-2020 06:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregg Luneack (Post 612555)
From Google, each year there are about 100,000 cases of flu reported in the USA
with about 36,000 deaths, with the Chinese covid 19 there are about
680,000 reported cases with about 35,000 deaths, do the math.

LOL, you need to work on your math.

CDC Reports 13 Million Flu Cases Thus Far in 2019-20 Season

According to the report, the overall rate of influenza-associated hospitalization increased to 1.9 per 100,000. The highest rate of hospitalization has been observed among adults aged ≥65 (47.6 per 100,000 population), followed by children aged 0-4 years (34.4 per 100,000 population) and adults aged 50-64 years (23.2 per 100,000 population).
This past week 7 new influenza-associated pediatric deaths were reported, bringing the seasonal total to 39. According to the FluView report, 28 deaths were linked to B viruses—5 of which had their lineage determined and were B/Victoria viruses—and the other 11 deaths were associated with A viruses, 6 of which were A(H1N1)pdm09 virus-associated.
https://www.contagionlive.com/news/c...-201920-season

Bruce Noland 04-17-2020 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 612552)
I suppose . This virus and several other are not going away permanently, ever.
I suppose someone could catch it at a campaign rally , debate audience, or polling place, later this year too.
Probably then, the best thing for Trump to do, is declare another state of emergency, issue an executive order, and suspend all campaigns and election for one year.
Ya in?

Mark, Trump can't do that and even if he could
or if the election is cancelled due to another pandemic flare up, he and Pence would automatically be out of office in January 2021, when their terms expire. Then after a bunch of head scratching the next President would be Senator Patrick Leahy from Vermont. And the Dems would own the Senate. Mostly because a cancelled election would at least temporarily empty the House. And all Senate races would be cancelled as well. And more Republicans would be ousted which turns the control of the Senate over to the Dems. All this going on while each state is trying to figure out the electoral college. Ya in?

Mark Yacavone 04-17-2020 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Noland (Post 612560)
Mark, Trump can't do that and even if he could
or if the election is cancelled due to another pandemic flare up, he and Pence would automatically be out of office in January 2021, when their terms expire. Then after a bunch of head scratching the next President would be Senator Patrick Leahy from Vermont. And the Dems would own the Senate. Mostly because a cancelled election would at least temporarily empty the House. And all Senate races would be cancelled as well. And more Republicans would be ousted which turns the control of the Senate over to the Dems. All this going on while each state is trying to figure out the electoral college. Ya in?

Nope. I don't see where this is in the constitution . The 22nd amendment concerns more that two terms as Pres. DT hasn't completed one yet.
What I'm suggesting is a moratorium on ALL elections and all expirations. That ought to save a few lives. You should be good with that, yes?

Bruce Noland 04-17-2020 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 612561)
Nope. I don't see where this is in the constitution . The 22nd amendment concerns more that two terms as Pres. DT hasn't completed one yet.
What I'm suggesting is a moratorium on ALL elections and all expirations. That ought to save a few lives. You should be good with that, yes?

You really should spend some time researching these subjects before coming out here with this nonsense.

Ed Carpenter 04-17-2020 07:07 PM

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Lots of so-called experts on here. My best friend Ashton Hudson is an ER doctor. Deals with it everyday. I’ll stick to getting my information first hand from him. Some of you clowns are way off with what your saying. How about doing some research on Covid 19 before you get on here .......

rognelson777 04-17-2020 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Jones (Post 612537)
I work for an "essential" manufacturing company. There are a few thousand employees. Most of us wear masks, some wear gloves too. It has become second nature for me to clean common areas with a bleach/ water blend, wash, wash, wash my hands and use sanitizer often. Need to lotion up too. Folks with medical conditions have been allowed to stay home for 3 weeks. Most of us are pretty good at social distancing, not talking directly at each other, etc, by now. The cafeteria is open, but everything is wrapped up. We have had a couple of COVID-19 cases, but no deaths as far as I know. In the beginning it was sketchy: we didn`t know what to expect and we were all on edge. Everyone is pretty comfortable with work, at this point.
We are looking forward to testing kits, to make sure we are all clear. Social distance, wash, wash, wash. We can beat this.
Mike A114

so how do we do this at a racetrack with 10,000 spectators? that is the big question

John Kissel 04-17-2020 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Noland (Post 612545)
"arbitrary authority" Who or what are you talking about?

Perhaps he could be referring to a situation such as the gov. of n.j. saying The Bill of Rights is above his pay grade when questioned about his dictates. John Kissel

Mark Yacavone 04-17-2020 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Noland (Post 612562)
You really should spend some time researching these subjects before coming out here with this nonsense.

Anybody see an answer here?
v
v
v
v
v
v
v
v
Maybe down here .
Nope
So, if I wanted to research the Constitution, I'd check in with Mark Levin.
Or, how about Jonathan Turley, a Democrat , for a different angle?
Certainly wouldn't be from your source, that foremost constitutional scholar, what was his name.., the guy with the phony papers..Barry something? O'Biden?

jwsamuel 04-17-2020 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Superfan1 (Post 612551)
Try telling that to Rod Greene; he repeatedly refers to COVID-19 as a "hoax".

If it is a hoax, you have to give credit to the people who organized it. They got most of this country, other countries, the medical community, the scientific community, state governments, the media, and more to go along with the hoax. They even got 36,000 people to die to help pull it off.

That's an amazing accomplishment that should be recognized.

jwsamuel 04-17-2020 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 612567)
So, if I wanted to research the Constitution, I'd check in with Mark Levin.

You could read it yourself.

Pete Lanciers 04-17-2020 07:29 PM

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nevermind

Mike Jones 04-17-2020 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by rognelson777 (Post 612565)
so how do we do this at a racetrack with 10,000 spectators? that is the big question

I don't think we are ready for that today. I wear a mask when I go shopping, am careful to grab wipes for everything I touch in the store and make sure I don't touch my face. We are waiting for testing and meds. Personally, I wouldn`t go where there are 10,000 people, until then. But, those are National Event crowds. They could open dragstrips to local racing and we haven't seen crowds like that at Divisionals in decades. Be smart and safe.
Mike A114

Randall Klein 04-17-2020 07:41 PM

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Thanks CHINA

corrupt commies
lying creeps
MERS
SARS
COVID

what else you got?

all for cheap goods

shove it

go ahead and ban me

Bruce Noland 04-17-2020 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 612567)
Anybody see an answer here?
v
v
v
v
v
v
v
v
Maybe down here .
Nope
So, if I wanted to research the Constitution, I'd check in with Mark Levin.
Or, how about Jonathan Turley, a Democrat , for a different angle?
Certainly wouldn't be from your source, that foremost constitutional scholar, what was his name.., the guy with the phony papers..Barry something? O'Biden?

Fluff master. You offered nothing worthy of an answer. Go do some research. I guess you remember that Jonathan Turleley was on Trump's defense team.

Mark Yacavone 04-17-2020 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Noland (Post 612573)
. I guess you remember that Jonathan Turleley was on Trump's defense team.

So? Only because he was correct.

I've done some. It looks like DT could try it, during wartime (as Cumo called it) In that case the SCOTUS would have to take it up. Then , they would defer to the contagious disease folks and the military, before making a decision.
I asked you if you would support such a move, if it saved a few lives. You called me names, but still haven't answered.

Dwight Southerland 04-17-2020 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Superfan1 (Post 612553)
The amount of exposure going to a drag race would depend on the number of people in attendance. There will be thousands in attendance at the National event in late June, sitting side by side in the grandstands, which would create a much higher chance for exposure than being in a Walmart, Walgreen's or grocery store. However, late June is two months from now; so we will have to see what progress is made in containing this disease.

Then you can make your choice to stay at home if you feel threatened.

Chevy55 04-17-2020 08:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 612574)
So? Only because he was correct.

I've done some. It looks like DT could try it, during wartime (as Cumo called it) In that case the SCOTUS would have to take it up. Then , they would defer to the contagious disease folks and the military, before making a decision.
I asked you if you would support such a move, if it saved a few lives. You called me names, but still haven't answered.

"And even if the U.S. legislative and executive branches could sufficiently cooperate to buy some additional time by delaying the next election, they wouldn’t have much leeway. The 20th amendment to the U.S. constitution states that the current president’s four-year term ends at noon on Jan. 20. So the election couldn’t be put off by much more than two months without incurring the risk of leaving the U.S. without a president or vice president come Jan. 20, and leaving Congress the chaotic task of having the Speaker of the House temporarily govern while figuring out how to rectify the absence of a duly-elected chief executive. (Altering that Jan. 20 deadline would require amending the U.S. Constitution in a matter of months, a virtually impossible feat.)"
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pr...ion-postponed/


So with your plan that little old lady from Pasadena will be President come Jan 20th.
That'll rattle your cage, I love it!!! LOL

Bruce Noland 04-17-2020 08:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 612574)
So? Only because he was correct.

I've done some. It looks like DT could try it, during wartime (as Cumo called it) In that case the SCOTUS would have to take it up. Then , they would defer to the contagious disease folks and the military, before making a decision.
I asked you if you would support such a move, if it saved a few lives. You called me names, but still haven't answered.

He can't do it period. All this stuff is fluff and you know it. I'm for saving lives by voting by mail. I suppose you're against that eh?

BRETV 04-17-2020 08:28 PM

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Why are you guys on the left worrying about saving all these lives now, as you kill thousands of babies a day. Why don't you stop that!! ya,in?






Bret Velde
2003 FS/??

Mark Yacavone 04-17-2020 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Noland (Post 612577)
He can't do it period. All this stuff is fluff and you know it. I'm for saving lives by voting by mail. I suppose you're against that eh?

Yes, because I'm against voter fraud. It's still rampant where people come in, in person.

Mark Yacavone 04-17-2020 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Chevy55 (Post 612576)
"And even if the U.S. legislative and executive branches could sufficiently cooperate to buy some additional time by delaying the next election, they wouldn’t have much leeway. The 20th amendment to the U.S. constitution states that the current president’s four-year term ends at noon on Jan. 20. So the election couldn’t be put off by much more than two months without incurring the risk of leaving the U.S. without a president or vice president come Jan. 20, and leaving Congress the chaotic task of having the Speaker of the House temporarily govern while figuring out how to rectify the absence of a duly-elected chief executive. (Altering that Jan. 20 deadline would require amending the U.S. Constitution in a matter of months, a virtually impossible feat.)"
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pr...ion-postponed/


So with your plan that little old lady from Pasadena will be President come Jan 20th.
That'll rattle your cage, I love it!!! LOL

Take you left wing links and shove them, Mr.?????
(Bruce , a no-name , non -racer..Get on it)

Mark Yacavone 04-17-2020 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BRETV (Post 612578)
Why are you guys on the left worrying about saving all these lives now, as you kill thousands of babies a day. Why don't you stop that!! ya,in?






Bret Velde
2003 FS/??

I'll answer for them...Petty, partisan politics.


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