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this deserves a true message board response:

LOL :)

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..there is more to life than winning a NHRA National event.

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Its getting to easy to change all these rules.. We should vote on radial tires, headers and so on. The most important thing we should be voting on are our officials. We support this racing with OUR POCKETS and they tell us what we can do. NO its time that we should vote on our Tech directors, SPORTSMAN REP, Division directors and on. Lets start from the top and weed these people out that are killing our sport!

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LMAO! Wow, that's almost as good as when 'smokey' tried to tear down Adger Smith! This one's so funny it's not even offensive! LOL And actually, most of the people involved in this discussion have won a LOT. Seems to me that there are just as many people on the other side of the fence that don't have very full resumes -- BUT, that to me doesn't discount YOUR opinion either... if only you would express one. ;)

It still amazes me that some people feel the need to make personal attacks (incredibly incorrect and uninformed ones at that!) when they have nothing constructive to add to a debate.

Kenny Miele (congrats on your recent win!) and Evan Smith have actually expressed their opinions and supported the reasons for their arguments. I respect that.

While I think Tim's outlook on things is a bit gloomier than things really are, the things he's talking about *are* contributing factors. But Tim, if you look at Footbrake, you're seeing the same thing, even without the electronics. Everybody keeps going faster, and keeps driving better as time goes by.

The debate is more of an intellectual exercise to me than anything. I don't much care what's in the other lane. Delay box cars taste like chicken. ;)

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Mike enough is enough with u. Leave your ihra out of our nhra. Some of our officials are not smart enough to know your opinions come from the other side.

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""""Everybody keeps going faster""""

mike,,,get this,,,,a racer was telling me sat that at a track just up the road from MM,,,he was down to 11 and out of the other 10,,,,5.98 was the slowest,,,,said there were 3 in the 5.5 range and one running 5.3`s,,,this is in footbrake,,,its not only just stock

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>>Mike enough is enough with u. Leave your ihra out of our nhra.

Like Tim, I have never sent a 'vote' to NHRA since I stopped racing with them. And last I checked, this is a Class Racing forum, not an NHRA forum.

>> Some of our officials are not smart enough to know your opinions come from the other side.

Then there's your problem, right there! ;) LOL I don't buy that anyway, because many of them know me. I'm flattered (and bewildered) that you think I have any kind of pull with NHRA. Beyond that, my posts on the subject are speaking generally about Stock eliminator, not a particular sanctioning body. Y'all can do whatever you want!

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10/10 post Sterling, agreed 100%

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This is about the future of stock... in NHRA. It's really not NHRA's fault if IHRA copies all the rule changes. It sounds like a problem you might want to take up with whoever runs the show in IHRA.

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This is true. How do these people get their jobs? They just seem to throw out idea's and people vote on them based on their OWN agenda, not what's really good for the sport.... IE. "i'm not cordinated enough to release my brake pedal when i release the button, so i like the rule change."

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Ahh, I love how you guys are proving my point about the attitude of most racers under the N banner.

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Ahhhhh, the 'ol "Divide and Conquer." Sad thing is we are doing it to ourselves. Our focus should always be the upper management, the people actually making/changing the rules, not each other. NHRA racers, whether you like it or not, IHRA has helped keep NHRA as honest as possible. Competition (as in _HRA trying to keep us as customers) is good for US as racers. Let's remember that. As long as we have a choice, hopefully both sanctioning bodies will keep that in mind as they choose their enhancements for us. Pepsi keeps Coke's prices down and vice-versa. So...... carry on.

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Beth is right!!!

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i don't understand the big deal with it all you still have to use the brake pedal with a 2 step button i don't think there is any advantage using a 2 step other than your leaving at the exact same RPM and it seems to make 60's 330's the whole deal a little more consistant i am hit and miss with the 2 step and am the same way with footbraken ican win or lose more rounds with the 2 step than with footbrake...so bottom line is if you like the 2 step run it if you like footbrake run it thats why they give the option to do either or anyone can win and loose rounds easy but a 2 step doesn't give anyone a better chance...and if you want to know who i am im Brandon Peterson and i race M/CM in IHRA...deal with it.....michael close call on the world maybe next year woull take it see you at piedmont

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Anybody want to buy a stocker.

I think I'll use a button next year with a little box and a solenoid hooked to it.

Chip

p.s.

take them out or allow the box no in between

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I saw a little plastic box with a bunch of switches and
what I was told was a diode buried in it.He said he bought it for $100.Showed it to tech guys to prove that it's out there.Anybody caught with one in stock should have the car impounded and the owner/driver banned for life,like IHRA had the balls to do with the Dirty Dozen.

Ed F.
1945 T/SA

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Ed, explain to me what the big deal about a diode is. A diode is just a one way check valve for electricity. There's at least a couple of diodes on every stocker, they're in the alternator.

Yes, I agree it IS possible to cheat, with electronics. I just find the mass hysteria amusing.

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Where is Top Fool when we really need him?

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It seems to me that if you can have a conversation on a cell phone or connect to the internet via a wireless network,then the technology is there (or soon will be) to operate a two step via a wireless remote switch.
The drag racer of the future will not have to react to the tree,shift,or drive the finish line.Technology will advance to the point where there is nothing for the "driver" to do.

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""""not have to react to the tree'''''

already seen one of those back in 95 or so,,,,and watched it work,,,,,it had 2 major problems,,,,,,1) he couldnt aim it without being noticed,,,,2) couldnt get it to work on a bracket tree,,,,at the time,,they`re were no blinders or cups around the lites,,,,,,,it worked great bench testing and on a pro tree in the dark,,,,but other than that,,,,it was a mess


I figure that with the LED`s ,,,somebody,,somewhere,,has gotten one to work,,,,,,

Ive actually seen items that can track a car every hundred foot down the track and the signal was sent to a lap top in the pits as the guy was making a run,,,,it even sent back info on water temp and oil pressure,,,,,damnest thing I`d ever seen and would have swore it wasnt possible,,,,this item could have never been hid but it just shows that if one wants to cheat,,,the tech is out there to do it,,,at the time ,,this company was trying to get into nascar and this item was to go on a roundy car,,,,,I knew the sales/tech rep and they had it on a car at a bristol bracket race testing,,,,,,,He didnt have a clue it was illegal and wasnt sending info back to the driver,,,,but I seen it and it works and at the time( 2002,,I think),,,price was 30k for a complete unit..........it was neat to watch

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And if your foot isn't off the brakes, it'll blow the tires right off the rims. It's REAL simple, it's been tried, if you get off the two step before you're off the pedal, it'll just spin. And no, the two step releasing will NOT toss your foot off the pedal. That's a crock. At least in the case of the high HP A, B, or C cars everyone seems to be whining about.

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Real time telemetry has been around for years. The guys racing airplanes at Reno have had it for several years now. In the Unlimited class, at 500 MPH 50 feet off the ground, it's hard for the pilot to monitor the engine. They've had it in F1 racing for years as well.

There was a bracket racer around the South in the eighties that got caught with sensors in his fake headlights picking up the tree. Yes, it can be done.

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I was suprised stuff like this was that easy to get,,,,,,,but there will alway be one that finds a way to win,,,underhandedly,,,,,,I seen a delay box that was built in the late 70`s ,,,,,it was before transbrakes were either legal or not yet been built for the masses but anyway,,,this guy had won 2 or more world championships with Ihra in SS,,,,it was back when there were 5 ambers instead of 3,,,,,,he was using a drive shaft brake to hold the car and using the delay box,,,,,,on the other hand,,,its like the matty stuff,,,,before it was deemed illegal,,,,,was it cheating or was it innovative??? I think when you take innovation out of the sport then thats when it just becomes strickly bracket racing,,,,,,,, it sure would be boring if the only option on the car is color

I mean Ive said this for years,,,,,its kinda like the guy that invented the wheel,,,,,was he smart or just lazy???

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I thought a good amount of racers still raced with the two step mounted on the brake pedal or in the vicinity. I know alot of guys have had it mounted elsewhere, but I'm sure there are alot of racers that won't be affected by this rule change at all. I footbrake, but have tried the two-step mounted on the brake pedal because I too am not coordinated enough to get 2 motions going on at the same time. It is nice to know that I may have the opportunity to try a two-step in the future if I choose too. I really don't agree with having votes to change existing rules in stock unless its safety oriented, like wheelie bars were or something of some benefit to the racers. If everyone keeps voting on stuff we'll all be on treaded tires without line locks pretty soon. It's almost 2008.....not 1970. Theres nothing wrong with taking a step forward instead of backwards. Just my opinion. not trying to offend anyone!

Ryan Horensky
1273 C/SA

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Yes air shifters are legal in all Stk Elim cars, as per Glendora, Ca,,,,,,,,,,, John Lang

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RYAN, We had line locks on our rick-shaws in 1970, really. GRAMPY

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How are air shifters legal in stock?

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John ment e-shifters. Same thing.

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I'm afraid he meant what he said. He posted in the other section of this forum:
Although you'd think that NHRA would post an announcement on something like that.
But I'm just an IHRA racer, so what do I know? :rolleyes:

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Hay Grampa, 10/4 on the line locks in 70 !

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All in fun, Michael.

I'm waiting for someone wanting to ban all stick cars because the clutch petal has such a long stroke, it can be used as a delay device.



Andy Stone B/S 1102

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So what is the deal?

Are we only allowed to use the e-shift valve body? or can we use an air or electric shifter?

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While it was just rumor mill, I heard that IHRA was *not* going to follow NHRA on this one.

Without trying to give away any 'trade secrets', I can't for the life of me figure out why you would *want* an automatic shifter in a Stocker! Y'all can figure that one out for yourselves... But if you want 'em, more power to you! :cool:

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You really think I want an air shifter Michael?? You should know better than that. I am still kinda upset that we cant afford to keep the clutch in there for a while.

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The switches I was refering to were supposedly timers.Nowthat partwas what concerned me.

Ed F.
1945 T/SA

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Controled by RPM, TIMER, or TIME TO RPM? Several posts back a knowlegdable racer just gave you the senario. Anything that shifts (tracks) your car based on anything other than a needle on a tach and your eyes, has the potential for supplying a dead on run.

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electric shifter???clearly a step in the wrong direction BUT as long as E-shifts are legal,,,then it should be available to everyone,,,,Im just glad they seen fit to save racers a few bucks and allow the cheap solenoid shifters

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Now now Tim... You know that wouldn't be very good for the sponsors!

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Patent 5051935 will probably be legal next.