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Not short of pit space but probably time limitations. Super Comp can take three hours to run one session with no oil or crashes. Seems like they get thousands of them.
By contrast eighty SuperStockers takes just a few minutes to run, i'd swap an extra hundred SS cars for a hundred less SC ones. :)

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The total allowable entry for NON Pro's is 328 and includes 28 Pro-Mods

With the gate opening for parking 6 days before the event completion and 2 days of registration & tech....

AND

With 4, count them 4, days of racing they couldn't run more than 328 NON-PRO's........The problem is the dog and pony show that we now call NHRA putting their PRO's on TV.....

Plus the TV show is a piece of crap with nothing but Force & friends running their mouths off....

I feel better now.......

I just needed some dragons to slay and a windmill to tilt at, except that I do believe that NHRA is a real threat to Drag Racing.......

Bob

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A interesting fact 70 % of the Super Stock entries are out of the division.
It seems like a lot of Division 7 cars are locked out entering their home national event .

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That is a sad fact for local racers, Don.
Not sure what to do about it though, especially out here .
For instance, Phoenix is in Div 7, but NM is Div 5, but only a few hours away.

I'm sure if we put a few smart guys in a room, they could figure out a fairer deal.
Of course, they'd have to be volunteers..NHRA doesn't have the budget for it, apparently.

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How many sportsman cars are left to race on Sunday ? Anyway now days

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One more pair, per eliminator. going from 80 to 100 car quota.. I think that's right.

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Three hours? We run 400 cars, including dragsters, in less time.

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Just to give you some insight....................

65 cars or 128 cars take the same amount of rounds and that would be 7....

We would still have the exact same amount of filler rounds for the PRO show on Sunday.......

If ALL of the Sportsman Category Classes had been capped at 128 it would still take the same amount of rounds.......

The only difference, and I mean only, is that the first round of the eliminator would be run by 128 cars and not 75.....

How long does it take to run 20 pairs of Sportsman during the qualifying??????????

Maybe Class runs would take a little longer because of those pesky HEADS-UP runs??????????????

Bob

PS:
Remember when a Divisional Race included Top Fuel, Funny Car, Pro Stock and 7 or 8 qualifying hits and that got done in 2 days......

What happened was .90 classes with 400 entries, bracket motorcycles, snowmobiles & golf carts at the Divisional Races.....

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Don't forget the Jr. Dragsters, Top Dragster, Top Sportsman, numerous SC/SG/SST shootouts, and various other exhibition classes. It all adds up! How about the 10.00, 11.00, 12.00, 13.00 index cars from a couple of years ago...are those still around?

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I have been a grandstand yeller since I was a little kid and now 53 years old I just bought a Stock Eliminator Car with no engine to complete one item off of my bucket list. All of this NHRA BS I have been reading really makes a guy feel good about spending the money it takes to get out there and do this. Someone needs to pull the heads out of the NHRA 's rear-ends and smell the roses here. I have always wondered why people just didn't boycott the NHRA and see what happens from there. Im still spending money to get the car finished just not to sure where Im going to run it at. :cool:

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So for what ever reason some people really seem to despise bracket racing. But I tell you what . After looking at the payouts that were available to the D1 folks. Between gamblers racing and contingency.. If I ever bought or built a car.. I would have to say money would be better spent on bracket racing.. And for all the Wally chasers.. Those are available to.

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I don't think people despise bracket racing, we just like doing what we do. Heads up racing occasionally. Qualifying on a ladder, racing different places all over the country. The hot rods that are built for S/SS , compared to a bracket style car. The ever changing technology. Ect... Money is best spent on what you like to do.

Bracket racing has its challenges too. Go to a 10k footbrake race with a normal car and see what your chances are if your a part time hobby racer compared to the mercenaries that go to those races. Always killer on the tree, the cars run within.001 almost all the time. Some of those cars can cost up to 70 to 100K It's a very high level of competition. Go to a normal bracket day, and the payouts can absolutely suck unless your racing at Numidia where it's much better than anywhere else.

There is no Bracket Wally that compares to a National event one unless you win the bracket finals or the last race at Pamona.

This limiting cars at a national event absolutely sucks, NHRA is doing their best to send us away. I hope they change their minds and open these races up again one of these days.
The situation sucks, just hoping it gets better one of these days

QUOTE=barnca2010;515941]So for what ever reason some people really seem to despise bracket racing. But I tell you what . After looking at the payouts that were available to the D1 folks. Between gamblers racing and contingency.. If I ever bought or built a car.. I would have to say money would be better spent on bracket racing.. And for all the Wally chasers.. Those are available to.[/QUOTE]

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NHRA division Managers have the power to raise entry numbers at National Events . Its up to us as racers to send a email to your Manager and ask for it. I just reviewed some of the Entry lists from this Season Seattle quota for Stock was only 45/47 entered but Superstock had a quota of 45 but only 25 entered I believe Brainerd had a quota of 85 for Stock NHRA should publish the entry numbers for next seasons National events in advance so we can give them feedback that way someone with 4 grade points might be able to attend.

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I run a few classes that get qualified on a ladder, I don't see the allure in it myself, just part of the game.

This is all just a Bracket Race with a HUGE entry fee and a piss poor payout. Occasionally there is the heads-up race for those that like that sort of thing. Nice when you hold the edge, sucks when you're .2 or more down, hard to over-come that.........

Can't comprehend spending $300+ for a National Event to win what, $1500 or so?

I can almost double-enter a $10K to win Footbrake Race for that kind of money and get treated with respect and only spend two days there competing!

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We need for racers to email Mike Rice today to increase the Vegas national event quota.everyone should regardless .his email is mrice@nhra.com
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And Now Pomona is full. If their trying to get rid of the sportsman racer they're doing a hell of a job. I e mailed Mike Rice and got nowhere. Guess I'm done for the season. Mark Madison AA/SA 7995

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We need for racers to email Mike Rice today to increase the Vegas national event quota.everyone should regardless .his email is mrice@nhra.com
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You're right Todd, it isn't for everyone. I did a lot of work on the Stocker I am driving, but I don't own it, now would I want to, not my cup of tea. Just trying to help a friend and try something different. Too much "cheating" in Stock that costs a LOT of $$$ to go fast....... I'll leave it at that.

Yes, the JH race was expensive, I lost 4th round each day, got $100 for my $185 entry, -.00x red lights, that's life. At least I had a shot at it. When certain cars show-up locally though our Stocker is down at least .2, almost not worth pulling to the line, but we do, hoping the other car will make a mistake.

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My take on Stock: People chose a class to race in. They try to build a car within the rules to be the fastest one out there, I get it. Heads-up racing with pretty strict rules. I do like the cars, they resemble a real street car unlike many Bracket Cars which are usually empty shells........

You want to run against others in your class to see who is best. You get beat, you work on it to find more ET. Go out there and do it again.

Maybe the class will grow on me in time, who knows. I do like racing with a different group of people, though many of you I already know. I am certainly not used to driving something so slow.......... :( But I do get a clean tree! :)

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9 spots were left today for stock entries at the NHRA World Finals for drivers with a grade of 4. The nine spots were gone in less than 10 minutes this morning. In addition, for the first time ever, I was unable to enter the second Las Vegas race, and I had a grade of 4. I started thinking, what am I doing?? It costs $415 to get my wife and I into an NHRA National Event, even though we never sit in the stands or watch any of the racing. If I make it to the semi finals, I get $500, so unless I make it to the final round, the best I can hope for is an $85.00 pay day or worse. After the disappointment of missing class racing at the second Las Vegas race, after I won the combo automatic class at the April LV race, I decided to save my $415 and also skip the NHRA World Finals, which is 35 miles from my house!! The $415 will pay the entry fees to a lot of other non-NHRA races next year.

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In my case it was my own fault I did't get entered in the Vegas nationals (i have 6 grade points) I tried to enter 6 weeks early and it was full my bad. I will continue to check daily but probably not gona happen will need 7 to drop out. I did sign up for the finals and will be at the Vegas divisionals (one rainout). Not NHRA's fault in my case.

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mopargilley, listen to what you are saying. "(i have 6 grade points) I tried to enter 6 weeks early and it was full my bad." NOT YOUR BAD. NHRA's bad, you have 6 points and you have to enter 6 weeks early and cannot get in. That is total BS. $415.00 to get in, race fuel at $11.00+ 4 days out of potential income, food and drink for the four days, parked in obscure areas, just goes on and on.

Been away for a year now and I'm starting to question myself about coming back. For $415.00 I can have a very nice time with my wife over a weekend.

And what about the fuel to get there and back.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA $$$$$$$$$$$$$

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Ron, it's called "Stockholm's syndrome"

"Stockholm syndrome, or capture-bonding, is a psychological phenomenon described in 1973 in which hostages express empathy and sympathy and have positive feelings toward their captors, sometimes to the point of defending and identifying with the captors."

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Everyone keeps complaining about class racing dying. How NHRA is evil. And they do everything wrong.
Let’s look at the facts They can do whatever they want charge as much as they wish and the customers fight to show up and spend their money. At least on a national event level they must be doing all the right things. Or there wouldn’t be people on here begging for spots to get in and spend their money. If you charge enough you don’t need large numbers. I would rather deal with 50 cars at $415 than 128 cars at $162

Now don’t get me wrong I agree that NHRA is evil and could do a lot of things better for the sportsman racers. But as long as they are turning away racers there is no reason for them to change.

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That is not the way to grow the sport. The way they are doing it now will kill the present class structure as it is now. There will be no incentive to run the divisionals if you cant enter a national event with less than 5-6 grade points. The sportsman quotas are just too low. The problem is not with the sportsman racers it is with the way the events are run and the poor use of time by NHRA. It should not take as long as it does to run the classes especially the pros.

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I don't disagree but I don't think the people in Glendora care if they grow the sportsmen classes. At this point they get more wanting in than they want so they have no incentive to change, that is the only point I was making.

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The problem that I have, is that NHRA keeps taking insurance money from me and I have had no incidents and after the event I don't get any reimbursement on the insurance. Why do all racers have to keep paying for insurance at every National event? At Indy it was $100. for the insurance and Gators it was $40. up above the entry fee. If NHRA wants to have you take an policy out to cover any issue they should offer a yearly insurance police with a rebate at the end of the year if no claims against you, like safe driver.
I figured everyone else was bitching, I'd join in!!!!

Casey Miles
248H Stock

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Out of curiosity what does a divisional cost to enter and what do the payouts look like?