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I had Lee Shephard heads on my sbc. No funny stuff. Guess I was to dumb to realize that kind of stuff was going on then. MOPAR doing that doesn't surprise me. A locat custom paint & body shop was doing some of their SS altered wheel base body work. Had to know Dick (Huckins AKA The Bearded One) to get in the door to see them. Sox & Martin and Don Grotheer are two I saw with my own eyes, was told about others. They sent partial body panels with the tire openings to be patched it. Wasn't surprised when they were finally caught. Was not hard to see if you knew about it. Park them next to a legit car and it was easy to see, if you were looking for it. Wheels were moved 2" if I remember correctly. Everything was already moved when they came to Dick. Who would look for something like that going on in a small body shop, in an alley in Podunk Tulsa Oklahoma. LOL

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Thats been said and worn out for years. Guys were porting and covering up the heads since the 60's in all the classes. Not just within 10 years

Ever wonder why you showed up at a race with your legal engine car back in the day and couldn't figure out why guys had you by 3 10th's. Was it because they could time an engine better? Better carb? better 3 angle valve jobs? No because of the whole package, most within the rules. A few items on the rules, maybe one or 2 over. Interpeting the rule book has gone on since time, and most likely back in the day you had to do it to race or even be competive. Dont act like everything was right and nobody broke the rules, been going on a long time. As we all get older, it all evolves. For better or worse. If somebody could invent a time machine we could all start over....

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Alan, you know what, I generally agree with most of your opinions. BUT, this one is incorrect on this topic. A couple of engine builders "allegedly" called and asked if they could get the rules loosened up. They were told yes. At that instant, its no longer cheating. Your working your *** off and getting it busted in a heads up by a rule change that cant be verified, YET.

Just like everybody knows about the legality of the bowl cuts and its nowhere to be found in the rulebook. Is this also an unwritten rule?

Thats all I'm asking.

Wade

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All this "mularky"...(hope I spelled that right)...for a supposed entry-level Class that emphasized
"fine-tuning", with a minimum amount of mods permitted. And lawyers too...

Think the "newbies" coming into the sport want to jump into this?

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There is no entry level class. Open the check book and come and play. It is real expensive.

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Wade, a lot of rules got changed after they had been violated at least once, often by a "big name" guy. I won't go into a list, but if you ask around, you'll find that to be an absolute fact.

A lot of them have been told, by an "official" to "go ahead, it's easier to ask forgiveness than it is to ask permission". This too is fact, you'll find out if you ask the right people. It's really pretty common knowledge.

Read the "official policy" regarding rules, which, in effect states that "just because we do not tell you that you cannot, does not mean that you can". What that is supposed to mean is that "if we don't tell you that you can, then you cannot". The way that has ended up working, all too often, is that if the right person is not told specifically that they cannot, they go ahead and do it for a while, then after they get caught, everyone will eventually be told that they can.

As far as the chemical goes, there are ways of defeating anything like that. I'm betting that if you make the right phone call, you can find out how to get around it. I do not believe for a minute that you would actually do that.

I agree completely with the premise of your original post. The problem is, rules are often written in a vague and ambiguous manner, for the express purpose of being selectively enforced. Much as most of us would like the rules to be applied in the same manner to everyone, at every race, at every track, I would not hold my breathe waiting on it.

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The class has not been like that in 30 years. There are combos out there that can be run like you described. But not from J up. The newbees can race, just will not be killer right out of the gate. If they are looking for that, stick to bracket racing.

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Yeah, I know that Todd..but I was quoting (from memory)....a description of the Class from the NHRA rulebook...but I haven't owned one (or even looked at one) in many years!

Is it still worded like that TODAY?

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The only product NHRA should be using is Sprayon Welding Defect Detector.

http://www.sprayon.com/products/weld...ctor_penetrant

If they are just using dye penetrant and not everyone knows how to do it properly; it is very easy to botch the results gives inconsistent results.

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WOW,$5000.00 for a set of stocker heads.

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Great Discussion. I it is good to have different viewpoints here for sure. I sure don't have all the answers. Maybe some suggestions for any changes that can help with compliance, whether it is a rule change or official guidance, enforcement, etc.

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lol.

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Vinny Boobozolou......that some funny **** stuff!!

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"Integrity is doing the right thing even when no one is looking".

The rules are pretty specific - "Any evidence of modifications from the original castings will be grounds for disqualifications as determined by NHRA in NHRA’s sole and absolute discretion." "Regardless of the poured volume measurement, any modifications to intake or exhaust runners prohibited."

That is the "standard". When that rule is not enforced it establishes a new "standard".

So we are left with a quandary - there are more than a few who have "bent the rules" to their own advantage and have gotten away with it and the rest of us who read the rules and abide by them. Are the rules unenforceable? Maybe. And if so, do we need a new "anything-goes-rule" so everyone gets to play on a level field? What other choices do we have?

Lew

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Don't like the mention of aluminum...unless it was OEM-equipped....Just my .02.....
Yeah, I know we have the "replacements" today and all that...but across the board?

Jim, no disrespect to you and your operation...you've done well over the years and your hard work shows it....

But I've always felt if a certain combo had pieces that were tough to find or too much $$$$...you either hung in there or "bailed-out" and did something else....

Guess an argument could be made that some guys have the aluminum and some don't...hope I'm not starting something! And as far as easier to work on....yes...BUT????

A move like that...IMHO...would further "tarnish" the term "STOCK"...

I'm getting out here as the Family is taking me out for Breakfast....Would somebody out there please tell Ed O'Brien "Happy Fathers' Day!"

And a 'Happy Fathers' Day' to you gentlemen as well.........LET'S fix this BEFORE it's broke....FOR GOOD!!!!!!!!

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As much as I didnt want to post again I was talked into this response by a few. Many of you know who I am and how many years I spent with IHRA but only 2 years with NHRA back in the rarly 70's. NHRA "WILL NOT" ever change their inspection process until many of the current honchos go away. I sat down with Len Imbrigno (remember him) approx 12 years ago at the PRI show in Indy to talk about this very subject. I had samples and told all, plus showed all and who and which shops was doing what from my time working with IHRA and the US Class Nationals for Alex D. The meeting which was approved by both NHRA and IHRA at that time the meeting went no place. It was a waste of my time. I opened Len's eyes and he passed on the info to Calif. but it wasnt to long after this meeting that he left NHRA. He tried hard but to no avail to get the porting, acid and media blasting stopped which has gone on for many many years. Todays racer and engine shops that use these type parts have no morals. The want to win and be the "Big Dog" at everyone elses expense. This is exactly why S/S is allowed ported heads today. I saw my first set of bogus heads on a North Carolina Camaro back in 1983 or 1984 when I had taken a break from tech duties to enjoy life. Its been going on a very long time. I returned to IHRA and tried to stop ported heads without any luck. The game playing continued so I gave up. Why bother? The rules are to general and people with the money are all law suit crazy and it scared NHRA and IHRA. The problem is not with the tech guys in NHRA nor IHRA. The problem is with NHRA its self and the lack of desire to enforce the rule they already have. Most of the tech people have "been there and done that" as they say and they know what they are looking at but their hands are tied most of the time. Cut the head off the "snake" and it will die. I still consider the tech guys I have met and know my friends and hope this post is not taken in the wrong way. All I can say to Wade is lots of luck !

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Terry, I agree with you. As Jim S. said, when you see guys pick up 2/10th's and they are telling people what they done, AND their engine builder told them its now ok, where does that leave us? I want the 2/10th gain also, but, with Tech departments blessing. This is no secret, EVERYONE at the track knows. Engine and cylinder head guys from East to West are telling and selling. The grass roots tech guys know this is not aimed at them.

I don't care either way, just be consistent and tell us. Until they do, I'll continue to run my barn legal heads. You know, the ones that had too much valve lift;)

Wade

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Wade,
I do not know how long you have been racing Stock Eliminator, nevertheless, this issue has been beat to death for many years.

As far as I can recall throughout the years when I was first exposed to Stock and Super Stock classes by my uncle, it has been going on since the early 1970's. Therefore, for over 40 years, NHRA has not addressed this issue, has liberalized the rules and turned away their heads. Therefore, do not expect all the suddenly for NHRA to start doing the oversight you and others want because I believe it will never happen.

Just do a search in past postings in this site and this subject has come up many times.

As a matter of fact, years ago I was witness to a Tech Director telling racers that if they wanted to go fast, to contact certain specific cylinder head builders so they could go faster. I happened to know those builders and was familiar with the work they did.

Also, I believe Alan's previous statement about many older castings becoming hard to come by and being replaced by aluminum ones is not only a statement, but a prediction.

You are only addressing one issue; there are other areas that have allowed gains in many makes of engines, and have benefited from allowances that have been permitted. One of those areas are pistons.

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First, it isn't unusual to spend upwards of 5k on a set of chev. stocker heads. At $100.00 per hour thats 50 man hours. Flow 5 to 20 pairs of castings. Then flow the best 3 or 4 with different valve configurations/seats/seat cuts and seat finishes. Then flow the best 2 or 3 with several different lift characteristics with velocity probes and sometimes wet flow the best 2 with 3 to 5 manifolds comparing the exhaust with a couple different exhaust tube sizes and length of bends just out of the exhaust ports. You will find heads that have flow figures where you need them that will somtimes be 30 to 40% different (better) from the best set to the worst. Being able to do this isn't something that can be learned in a week and there are only a very few left that can or will actually do this type of work on stock (legal and never touch a port or chamber) cylinder heads.
With that said, porting (illegal) a stock cylinder head is easy. And covering it up is easy. And no, it can not be detected by dyes, sprays, chem tests or otherwise when the person doing the welding/grinding/spraying/blasting knows a little about what he is trying to accomplish.What you need to know is that port shape is way more important than port size. Here is where the really big cost comes in. And atomization in the port is what makes the most hp. Velocity is more important than total flow in most cases and this has to start as soon as the valve starts to open and continue as completely as possible till when the valve closes. Some of the work in shaping a port is not as drastic as some might think and the changes can be hard to detect if time is spent trying to keep the port (looking) stock. This is an exact science that is still evolving as newer and newer technologys are available. With port shape analysis you are very likely going to spend way more than 5k on a set of stocker heads.
Here comes the bad part (if running illegal isn't bad enough). The rulebook in the santioning bodies used to say in SS that zero modifications were allowed in the combustion chamber. I was told that I could not even glassbead a combustion chamber to clean it as doing so could "smooth" the combustion chamber in a way that would be considered illegal. Also I was told that agressive use of a wire wheel to clean could get me tossed. Yet at the same time, I am taking apart pieces from the biggest names in SS builders that had the intake valves unshrouded as much as .200 thou., edges rounded off, obvious grinding and reshaping in the chambers, plug locations moved with absolutely little or no regard to attempt to cover any of this up. Some of these freshen-ups were record holders that I had personally watched go thru tech. Winners in class. Div. and Nat. winners, etc. I turned down countless jobs after taking this stuff apart because I didn't want my name attached to it. Then one fine day, about 3 years later, the combustion chamber rule gets changed. Making very few of these heads legal, by the way. And I still see obvious welding in the chambers even though the new chamber rule says thats not allowed. Still plug locations moved.
Wade, I have no idea how you are supposed to find out what is actually "legal" at the time as all I have ever been told was NO. Only to see what I wasn't allowed to do go thru tech with flying colors and if a techman ever questioned it he was over ruled.
Sorry for the long post but this is a really sore spot for me. My customers can and do run with the best in their classes-----legally. Fortunately, doing stuff illegal also means that you will screw your customer base also in most cases. You can't imagine the 28-40k junk that I have had in my shop. On a positive note, there are still some really fine engine builders out there that are fast and take pride in their legal work.

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X2

I recall very well the combustion chamber issue in which some Chevy cylinder heads were unshrouded when using the 2.02" intake valve. Some cars were caught with the modification and soon the rules were changed to allow the modification.

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There is a simple answer. If the chambers and runners check the head is legal, any of story.

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Here's a little more fuel for the fire.

http://www.castheads.com/cylinder-he...g-services.php

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Per Tony James: if the chambers check CC, and the runners check CC.... ie : Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles ....it's legal

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CYLINDER HEADS
Must be correct casting number for year and horsepower claimed,
per NHRA Technical Bulletins or NHRA accepted. Porting,
polishing, welding, epoxying and acid-porting prohibited.
Combustion-chamber modifications prohibited. Cylinder heads are
additionally restricted in that they must retain original-size valves at
original angles +/- 1 degree and must be able to hold original
cylinder-head volume per NHRA Specifications. Runner volumes
may not exceed the current Super Stock cylinder-head volumes as
listed on www.NHRARacer.com. Regardless of the poured volume
measurement, any modifications to intake or exhaust runners
prohibited. Any evidence of modifications from the original castings
will be grounds for disqualifications as determined by NHRA in
NHRA’s sole and absolute discretion. Any aftermarket steel valve
permitted, must retain stock head and stem diameters. Only
engines OEM-equipped with sodium-filled valves may use sodiumfilled
replacement valves. Titanium prohibited. Hardened keepers
permitted. Lash caps prohibited. Valve-diameter tolerance: +.005-
inch or -.015-inch from NHRA Specs. The following are prohibited:
spark-plug adapters; cylinder-head studs; any grinding in ports or
combustion chambers; removal of any flashings; sandblasting or
any other modification to cylinder head; any film coating of intake
and exhaust runners; any film coating of combustion chamber.
Runners and combustion chamber must retain OEM appearance.
Final acceptance as determined by NHRA in NHRA’s sole and
absolute discretion. Intake side of head may not be cut into any part
of valve cover bolt holes. Heat riser passage may be blocked from
intake manifold side of cylinder head. Blocking passage down in
valve pocket prohibited. The following are permitted: polylocks, jam
nuts, screw-in larger-diameter rocker studs or pinned studs, bronzewall
valve guides. Valve spring umbrellas optional. Cylinder head
may have all of the seats replaced. Any valve job permitted,Oringing
prohibited. Exhaust plates prohibited.












Forgive my ignorance but nowhere in any rulebook today or ever has it said a Stock cylinder head was legal as long as it CC'ed right on the chamber and ports. This stuff is one of the reasons I don't run stock even though I have......

In the '60 s when I first started racing Stock.....just about any cylinder head that showed up on a table in a teardown barn with some of these modifcations mentioned would have been bounced in a NY minute.......

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I am sure you are just kidding!

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And they caught everything???? Nobody ever got away with any cylinder head work? The Monster Mash car that was as fast a A cars, that ran as fast as super stock cars back in the mid 60 was just tuned better than most? Jenkins was just, jetting and tuning a second better than anybody else? Its all bull sh*&. Guys maybe got away with less, but they still got away with stuff. I feel that the 60's and 70's were the best time to race our classes, but i don't believe it was without controversy, and guys bending the rules.
I thought the Jr Stock were out of controll with mods and thats why they reeled the class back in. All the 50's cars were kicked out and that was final. We are almost 40 years removed from that season. Is stock class all that bad now?

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Maybe you need to check your facts Todd..

The Monster Mash was a 265 in a 55 Chevy with a 3 speed.....Lots of other cars just like it were also fast back than and if any of them had bogus heads like today and set a record they would have been thown the hell out......When we raced against the Monster Mash it was a 14 or 15 second car....

Did guys cheat and bend the rules and get away with it.....Well I am sure they did....but most didn't for fear of being caught.

I raced 2 cars from 1966 to 1970. Both were legal and ran pretty close to what most other cars of the day ran or faster.

I never said anything was wrong with Stock......
People like myself are just pointing out the way the rulebook is written about heads....

Ask Walter what he thinks....

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Umm, something else to think about, almost every local track ran class and (that you had to win to get into) eliminations every weekend and you could be protested and torn down at any event. Just that would tend to make you either very good at cheating or very legal. It also made the Tech Inspectors very good at what they do.
Today you're as likely to hit the lottery as to be torn down unless you plan on going to Indy and then your chances are what, 5 %?

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" Any valve job permitted " What does that really mean? In old rule books NHRA gave you an example of what an accepted 3 angle was supposed to look like along with measurements. If you have small intake runners to keep velocity up, are you allowed to put your heads on a serdi machine and open up the bottom angle as big as you want with a cutter off the valve guide and still be legal under there new any valve job rule? You did not grind, sandblast, acid port, shot peen or anything else, you simply did a fancy valve job on a machine with cutters off the valve guide. Will NHRA tech allow this if the runner cc checks or will this be a gray area judgement call " the famous I don't like the way it looks " I don't think Wade or any of us want to here that phrase anymore.

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Rich, I've heard stories about that car when Spyder raced it, on how unbeatable it was compared to anything else. I've heard that from multiple people over the years. Spyder told me how mad Jenkins was when he sold the car, because he didn't not want other people looking at it. Think there was stuff in the questionable or on the edge? I'm sure. I'm not saying you think the class is bad, just that tech wasn't perfect back then and stuff got by. I will ask Walter about some of this.

Tech has thrown people out for questionable cylinder heads, In fact it has happend this year. I think tech does an excellent job, and unfairly overruled by the higher up due to politics at times. Nothing new I'm sure...

QUOTE=Rich Biebel;331831]Maybe you need to check your facts Todd..

The Monster Mash was a 265 in a 55 Chevy with a 3 speed.....Lots of other cars just like it were also fast back than and if any of them had bogus heads like today and set a record they would have been thown the hell out......When we raced against the Monster Mash it was a 14 or 15 second car....

Did guys cheat and bend the rules and get away with it.....Well I am sure they did....but most didn't for fear of being caught.

I raced 2 cars from 1966 to 1970. Both were legal and ran pretty close to what most other cars of the day ran or faster.

I never said anything was wrong with Stock......
People like myself are just pointing out the way the rulebook is written about heads....

Ask Walter what he thinks....[/QUOTE]

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I was told that any cut had to be concentric with the valve guide, it had to be a cut, not ground, and the angle/shape had to go all the way around the bowl/seat, 360 degrees, and there was no depth restriction. Legal port volume must be retained.

If I were going to do something like that, I'd "get it in writing from Glendora", and keep it in the notebook that goes with the car.

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All of you guys are confirming my original post. There is so much confusion on the cylinder head topic, it's unbelievable. Some of you say NHRA wants it this way. I don't think so. It takes posts and comments for them to realize it is a problem. Those tech guys don't like judgement calls either. They want a rule book they can stand on, too.

Weve had quite a few changes to the rule book in the last few years. We need more clarification on this topic.

Wade

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You're underestimating Jenkins. He was a genius at carbs and flow, but he might have even been better on the short block. Even back then, he was bringing a level of attention to engine building that few had attempted.

I worked around his engines and had conversations with him about the Monster Mash. Though he was always candid with areas he'd stretched the rules in I never once heard him say that about the car in question.

Jenkins sealed short blocks tighter than anyone I'd ever seen. Back in the day, I would not have believed his leakdown numbers had I not seen them myself.

And as for being angry about the car being sold, you'd be angry too if your entire career had been people copying your ideas that you didn't/couldn't patent. Things like gas ports, cylinder finish, block plates, and everything else he invented to keep blocks sealed.

Now extend that sort of thinking to every other process of engine building and you might understand why he didn't need to cheat.

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Wade, I can understand your concern and totally agree with you. But I don't think things are going to get any better.

While the tech guys don't like judgement calls, I'd bet their bosses do. If you leave the rulebook vague you don't have to have highly skilled workers spending a lot of time in precision measurement. You'd get the the environment we have today where not many cars get torn down and those that do have management saying "I know his stuff, he's ok" or "I don't trust that guy". Note that I am NOT talking about the tech guys in the trenches - I'm talking about the brass that so often seem to overrule them.

Then there's the problem of qualified people administering the program. I can remember that it took the better part of a year to get the plug gauge for measuring carb throats changed. The one I saw was made of aluminum, painted (or anodized) black and was often laying on a table in the sun. I guess it might have saved some people but it sure wasn't much good at keeping the carbs in spec.

Even if the rules did get re-written to be meaningful they couldn't be policed under the present system. First, there aren't enough people to handle the tear down, and more importantly there isn't the time as the events are presently structured.

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Todd.......I don't mean to slander Spankos or Jenkins but I don't recall the Monster Mash ever winning anything on a national level. Maybe he won locally and I am sure he did at places like Cecil and many other tracks in their area and maybe a special race here or there......but I have no memory of the car winning anything major like an NHRA national.

Some of the Jenkins cars were regulars at Island and if there was a special race they might show up.....Pete Preston......The Mash a time or two....Dink Lawrence were some names I can recall around 1966. Jenkins raced there himself a few times....and everyone was well aware of any car with the Jenkins logo on it.......It was usually going to be a fast car....

As my friend Billy Nees mentioned you had to win class every week at your local track to run the eliminator. Local regulars got special treatment and you know that is true......BUT it only went so far. If someone thought you were cheating they could protest you and it did happen......and it happened to me and my partner with our sedan delivery.......

We were running a bucks up Jr stock race at Island and John Archambault protested us.....He wanted our cam checked and insisted it could not be stock because we ran a couple MPH better than him.......We were under protest so we made BYE runs thru the eliminator......untill the final......We raced The Monster Mash and expected to lose.....He missed a gear and we won........We were torn down in the barn up the hill from the track and after a long time we were awarded the win and the money.......
This race was in the fall after Indy.....
We were DQ'ed at Indy as the class r/up for a camshaft that was in the car that came from GM as a replacement......but was not accepted by NHRA yet.....The class winner was DQ'ed for the same thing.......A few weeks later the cam was accepted and it was what was in the car.....

If you were branded a cheater by being flunked in the barn.....Well you had a tough time undoing that and your competitors let you know it right up front.....

Trust me when I tell you those days were not all just friendly competition.......

My only point in all this is to point out that things were a lot different back then......The rulebook was not that much different than today when it comes to heads. Yes valves and the valvjob is more liberal but not the wording about the rest of it......

NHRA has no man power....will or interest in enforcing the rules so what you have today is a direct result of years of that......and I guess if you're going to run Stock.....you do what your comfortable with......

I probably enjoy driving a stocker as much or more than any other car or class.......and I have driven a lot of cars over the years.......I just dislike some of the "issues" that go with the category......

Your cars always run well and your a good racer......The Hard Times car is high on my list of all time great Stockers.....I always had a liking for Pontiacs........

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So is shot peening Ralph!:D Jim

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Rich B., you are correct about the replacement cam for the 270 hp and 283 hp 283 engines not being accepted by Farmer. It was called the 'green stripe' cam by some and the 'Duntov cam' by others.

Farmer Dismuke knew that the posted specs. were short and bounced a few guys that he knew were running the cam right out of the tube. (That's how they used to come from GM)

Supposedly he did it to get GM to submit the correct specs. to the NHRA. I would have hated to have been one of the sacrificial lambs.

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wade,
for 15 years i tried to play ... albiet on a budget, i was pretty fast.

2009 was my last indy because of the bull**** tech and tech guys trying to one up each other. with no RULES they can get away with tossing or passing whoever they wish. they always tear down the same group of cars (NEVER a # 92 Q or better yet DNQ) those guys who run fast but not FAST (like you and a few years back me). those guys never set records like us ... you get the picture NEVER teardown. But YOU need an answer, you wanna win class you wanna set records and you have integrity too > tough place your $69 membership has put you in EH ??

i decided then i would NEVER build a new stocker motor when this one is done i'll figure it out but SS looks like it makes more sense than this "i dont like the looks of that" bull****. Travis Miller is a great techman...unfortunately his employer wont let him (other like him) do thier job...

so if they want you to pass pretty much any bull**** goes and if it is real wrong and you pass next year it is LEGAL.

so my friend who i admire greatly GOOD LUCK, and happy motoring !!!

captain jack

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Bobby I did not know that about the solid lifter Duntov cam....

We had a tow car once with that cam in it.........030-.030 lash makes a lot of noise and in a tow car it's no bargain flat towing to various places listening to that all the way!!!

We ran a 220 HP 283 in our sedan delivery....I/SA in 1966 and the original hydraulic cam was superceded by Chevy......We just ran what we got from Chevy and had it in the car all year if my memory serves me right....

On a side note.....We did have Bill Jenkins do a carb for us and it did not work well for us.....Actually it did not work worth a dam and I redid the carb myself.... a Carter- WCFB....We did not run the Rochester.....