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if you think that guy killed Earnhardt then you have lost it. And Bill Simpson has nothing to do with Simpson Race Products, hasn't for a long time. I now understand the $29 helmet.

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Um.... Simpson hasn't had anything to do with Simpson Safety for almost ten years. He owns Impact now. Simpson Safety has had no problems unlike Impact attaching fake SFI patches to their stuff. Jim
Who makes your $29 helmet? Acme Helmet Co. (a product of Samoa)?


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i don't think the impact rating should be his concern, the lead paint will get him before then

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Has been out of Impact for a couple of years he sold that also

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just had my lunch, $35 with tip, the same $ as his wife's helmet.:D

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Now that's funny, if it weren't so sad. He has a $29 head and he thinks his wife has a $35 head! She obviously has all the brains in the family! :eek: Jim


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That's gonna leave a mark!:D

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Many folks may not realize how worn out their helmet really is until they get a new one.

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I am definitely out numbered here, You guy's win. I can see the need for a SA helmet if your driving a Funny car or front engine dragster but how many of you have actually ever needed a fire rated helmet? I did buy full face helmets after reading the comments from some of you so your words of wisdom did not completely fall on deaf ears. I will probably hate wearing the friggin thing but I will get used to it and the tinted visor should last alot longer than my sunglasses the keep getting sat on.
One last question though, How much is your $400 dollar SA2000 helmet worth right now? I think I'll have the last laugh after all. hahahahahaha.

FYI. Bill Simpson left Simpson performance products after Dales death and we all know what he did to racers at Impact. Nascar declined to issue a statement clearing Simpson. If you want to use Simpson products that's up to you.

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Your ignorance is showing. If you think the only difference between an M rated helmet and SA rated helmet is fire resistance than you need to read the Snell specs. Your argument about Simpson is baseless in 2012. It may have held a little water around 01-03, but since Bill Simpson has been gone for over a decade, it's a moot point now. You want to end up a vegetable when that $29 helmet turns your brains into a bowl of grits be my guest, but for the people who find themselves in the other lane against you I hope you aren't that lackadaisical about the quality of the rest of the parts and workmanship in your car.

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Doesn't the Helmet meet the same NHRA mandated legal requirement, regardless of the price paid for it?

This site is getting old with all of the negative posting. All of you negative posters should go back and re-read what you post.

Pathetic!

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A smart car and an SL 600 benz pass the same safety standards.........which one would you rather have a serious crash in?

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I feel that is an unfair comparison. If the same helmet costs $189 at one location or $29 at another, which one would YOU pick.

You are just being argumentative.

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I had an M2000 full face on when I had my accident. Wish I had an SA that hangs down a little further. Might not have a jaw full of titanium plates and screws. BTW I have the helmet still and you wouldnt know it was in an accident if I didnt tell you.

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Now you're being obtuse. The same helmet that is $189 is NOT available for $29 at another location.

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As was your comparison of a Mercedes to a Smart Car.

I'm done with this.....

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Actually the helmet was $10.50, I included the shipping to come up with the total. The SFI sticker is the same on mine as a $189 helmet though and if it's good enough for a 150mph crash on a street bike it's good enough for me.
I guess I'm a dumbass for buying a 189 dollar helmet for 10 bucks.

Ken, I in no way want to diminish your accident. I hope we have all learned from your experience. I take a closer look at the retention device on the master cylinder rods in my cars now, Your accident is the reason I bought full face helmets this year.

Kiss my butt Chad.

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There's a reason you got it for $10........

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i've bought a few motorcycle helmets and 1 brand actually had a sheet of paper that said they were only good for 5 years...
only time i ever seen that....
yes, i know there's a difference in how m/c and car helmets are tested...

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this I'm smarter than the sanctioning body, SFI and everyone else is a fool's mentality and your lack of respect for your oponent's and spectator's safety as well yourself, is exactly why we have "stupid rule makers"

Safety equipment is like insurance...you don't know how good it is until you need it and when you do, you hope it's the best, if not, it's going to cost you and in this case, it could be your or your wife's life.

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I do have cheap insurance also. You guy's are like psychics.

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Are you trying to say a name brand helmet with a current SFI tag is unsafe because I got a great deal on it Chad? Now your showing your I.Q.

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hey Phillip, how about a link to the helmet?
i'm curious...

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Counterfeit ? Used? Already been in a crash?

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You tell me, Your the friggin know it all.

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Well I haven't seen the helmet, that's kinda impossible. But when I worked for a speed shop I did see both a fake Simpson and a fake bell helmet. Not hard to spot if you have a known real one to compare it to. As for the used part, I'd never buy any safety gear used.

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Btw it's "you're", not "your". Now whose IQ is showing?

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Exactly, You have no idea of what I bought and yet you feel the need to slander me. You are welcome to express your opinions but you have no right to tell me I am wrong for finding a good deal.
I bought a RCI jacket on ebay also, $15. Do you have a problem with that as well?.

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Phil it's a matter of quality and what value you put on your life.There's no doubt a Snell approved helmet will offer better protection when you might need it.It could possible save your life.
I think the part that makes people wonder is that you seem to be proud of the fact you bought the helmet for a rediculously low price and that's fine.But it's a lower quality
piece compared to a Snell approved helmet.You seem to have good equipment so why would you skimp on an Item that would only cost you under $200 which could make the difference between walking away from an incedent or leaving the track in a horizontal
position?

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I'm not trying to be argumentative Ed but I'm sure it will come out sounding that way, lol. Sure a SA rated helmet is most likely safer than a M rated helmet, When was the last time a racer suffered a head trauma because he was wearing a M series helmet and not a SA? I doubt Chad or 1320 has a answer for that question. The M series helmets are NHRA legal and I feel it will be safe in my 12 second bracket cars. My A car car has a full chromoly cage and new belts again thanks to NHRA. I didn't have to put a full cage in it but decided the added protection was worth the extra expense. I bought a used set of Bogarts to offset the added cost of the cage. Are my used wheels not safe because I got them off ebay?
What are the odds of being in a crash? How much safer is a SA rated helmet? No one can accurately answer that. I think we are more likely to suffer a spinal injury in a severe crash than a head trauma no matter how old the helmet is, Yes Yes I know the helmet manufacturers say we need a new helmet every five years. I still have my m90 hanging out in the shop, It looks just as good as my m2005. The worst damage I've seen at the track has been because the barriers are not tied together. The DOT connects them together with steel rods on roadways but every track I've been to they are just sitting there end to end, Waiting for someone to pile drive a car into them. Who decided this was safe?
I am stubborn but I have paid attention to what most of the guy's have had to say and stepped up to full face helmets this time around even though I didn't have to. I don't have $800 laying around to spend on two helmets, Not every one has piles of extra cash to spend on the best of the best in this economy. My post was only meant to let people know there is a cost efficient option out there to help them get ready to race this year. The guys that have the $$ to spend on a SA helmet will and the guys that are struggling to make ends meet might be thankful that they got a sweet deal on a new helmet and can afford to spend a day at the track.
Maybe next time I'll get a SA helmet.......If it's a good deal....

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What is a traumatic brain injury?

A traumatic brain injury (TBI) is defined as a blow or jolt to the head or a penetrating head injury that disrupts the function of the brain. Not all blows or jolts to the head result in a TBI. The severity of such an injury may range from "mild," i.e., a brief change in mental status or consciousness to "severe," i.e., an extended period of unconsciousness or amnesia after the injury. A TBI can result in short or long-term problems with independent function.

Traumatic Brain Injury Facts:

How many people have TBI?

Of the 1.7 million who sustain a TBI each year in the United States:

52,000 die;
275,000 are hospitalized; and
1.365 million are treated and released from an emergency department.1

The number of people with TBI who are not seen in an emergency department or who receive no care is unknown.

(National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke. Traumatic brain injury: hope through research. Bethesda (MD): National Institutes of Health; 2002 Feb. NIH Publication No. 02-158. Available from: www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/tbi/detail_tbi.htm.)

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Philip, what I think you are missing is that most of us are genuinely concerned about your safety, moreso than you are.

Remember the adage "If it seems to good to be true, it probably is"

That $10 helmet could be used and have internal damage that you can't see.
It could be a completely unknown brand, with suspect quality
It could be a counterfeit of a known brand.
Just remember, anyone with moderate graphics and printing skills could fake a snell or sfi tag.

So just what is that bargain basement helmet, and will you post pics of it?

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I think the mentality is that some racers think - well, I guess the percentage of me crashing is so slim that I will take the odds and buy the minimum rated saftey equipment. Just like Home owners insurance for flooding when you live in the desert . It is what it is. Till it happens. I see both sides here. As hind site is always 20/20.

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unfortunately, that's allready happened on full price stuff...right?

i still want to see a link to the helmet (or for the jacket, for that matter)...
i'm curious,ok?

price has no bearing on quality...

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I'll probably regret this but here you go.

http://ebay.co.ua/catalog/show/280826842022/
This is the only link I could find on Google that is still active, I'm not sure why it is from UA. I cant link the jacket, It's to old now.

Before the flaming starts about this brand being made in China you should research where helmets are made. Almost all the brand name helmets are made there now, Even Bell. I should have asked the seller before I bought it where it was made, That would have been a determining factor in my purchase. After all the bickering here about helmets I did research them and the only ones I could find that are made in the U.S are Simpson and Impact. Pull the liner back on your helmet and tell me what you see, Styrofoam right? Can you honestly tell me there is a difference between the helmets? Can you tell me that Simpson doesn't use styrofoam made in the same place as the other manufacturers. Can you tell me that a Simpson helmet will save me when the one I have wont? We all take a risk doing this hobby, I feel safe with my decision.
I'm not going to argue that the SA stuff is not safer. Can anyone tell me that a M rated one isn't safe enough? That seems to be the position here. How many thousands of racers and motorcylist are using M rated helmets? Ken lived thru his horrible crash with a M rated helmet, If he had a SA rated helmet it may have saved his jaw but there also might have been enough force from the steering column hitting his helmet to cause a spinal injury instead. Maybe he was lucky he wasn't wearing a helmet with more chin protection. It's a tough call, Every crash is different and you guy's should be more concerned with how the barriers are constructed than with what brand of helmet a person is using. Blunt force trauma is the killer here after all.

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Holy crap!!!!! You bought it from a Communist? LOL! Russia is second only to China for fake products! Seriously Philip, we are very concerned about your safety.

If the price is your main concern I will purchase a new, good quality helmet for you. No, I'm not kidding. Send me your size and your address and I will get you a real SA grade helmet. Let me know. Jim


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Phillip, there is nothing inherently wrong with HJC, other than it being M rated. If the helmet was truly not dropped or damaged, and was in fact an HJC, then you got an excellent deal on a marginal (in my opinion) helmet. Some Simpsons are made in the US (hat sized). We get enough questionable products from China, that I would not trust a helmet from there. Another note about M vs SA ratings, some manufacturers make both M and SA versions of a particular model helmet. In that case, the fire retardant lining is often the only difference, however there is more than that to the difference between M vs SA

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Excellent post Jim, an you're right. It's likely a counterfeit.

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Actually there is a little more than just the flame retardant quality to the SA, most SA helmets are made with at least one layer of kevlar, some are more. As you all know kevlar is much stronger than just fiberglass. Jim


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In most cases you are correct Jim, but I was told by a Simpson rep several years ang that the difference between a M rated voyager and an SA was just the lining. So for those looking to save a dollar, it might be a question worth asking.