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you will have to come down to woodburn thats where ill be this weekend DON THE WORM

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That's what I was thinking since I believe the intent is to prevent 11.50 cars from running in a 12.00 bracket. Tossing someone for going 11.99 is nuts. It is the tracks perogative to set rules as they see fit but quoting a rule from another class to justify a bad decision is also BS. This wasn't a track management decision BTW but something the head tech guy and race director came up with at the last event.

I don't race in this class but think those that do should have had some say before **** started hitting the fan. JMO!

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As I posted earlier, there are plenty of tracks which pitch people for exceeding the class break. You guys are acting like this is the only place this has ever happened in the history of drag racing. The track makes the rules. Don't like it? Don't go.

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I suggested they give us a percentage, Say 10 percent. I guess they didn't like that either,LOL.

I heard today that Bremerton rescinded there breakout rule a few years ago, To many racers gave them a hard time about it and it was to much trouble to police. I also heard the car club that owns MRP is not on board with this new rule so it should be gone by the weekend. Hopefully the 2 guys at MRP that made the rule will let it go.

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We don't have tracks in every county like you guys do back east, It's a long drive to go somewhere else around here and it's hard enough to put diesel in the truck as it is.

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Not so Bret... In this case it was a mid season decision that appears to be directed at a select couple of people and made by someone who may have an agenda. THAT is wrong. If it was a track policy and made clear at the beginning of the year, different story.

"Don't like it Don't go" C'mon.... let's all just roll over and take whatever someone in position decides what's best for the masses without any input or discussion.

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Ahhh...I understand now. This was the first time in drag racing history in which a track changed rules in mid-season. Got it!

Luckily, a dragstrip is a democracy so you should have no problem overturning this ruling.

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Smarty pants.

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You obviously don't understand... A rule change for safety reasons makes sense. A change made by a couple of people for reasons only they can justify is a matter worth arguing over. It's the way this rule came about that's problematic.

I do find it ironic that the person who is likely the foremost authority on defunct race tracks would suggest we "not go" when we feel something is unjust. How many of the now closed race tracks shut down due to bad management? Car counts are low enough without alienating customers (which racers are) and democracy or not, the track is a business that needs customers.

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Your my new hero Dale, People that make sense are hard to find these day's. Will you post this on the Team site also?

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Are you kidding!! I'm not going to suffer the wrath of Terry LOL! Besides, you've done a good job of explaining how this came about there it's just that some choose to ignore facts. Hopefully this will get sorted out soon and no ones feelings get hurt too badly.

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Chicken...LOL


Can I bring the Hemi up for the Ford drags again this year? Crossram should be here tomorrow, yeehaw


I'll promise to dial within the E.T Breaks. . . . Or real close to them

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Phillip, please read your post again, you've asked for some feedback and people have obliged. You might not like what you're hearing but you're getting feedback, plus you're receiving quality answer from one of the most respected Bracket Racer and writer in the Drag Racing community in Bret Kepner. I would listen to what he has to say if he gaved me his opinion I would be listening, he's definitely not a smarty pants. We all understand your problem, you have to just figure who has the bigger stick at the end.Claude Ruel

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Thanks for your input Claude,
I'm sure Bret knows I was smiling when I typed that.
So far I have received the feed back I expected from the racers on this forum, Everyone's opinion is different but for the most part our fellow racers agree a track should not do stuff like this.
This rule was put into place by 2 people without the input, consent or approval of the car club that owns the track and I'm hoping that once the club members realize how many racers feel this is wrong they will take appropriate action. That's about all the democracy I can ask for.

P.S, I think it's working..................

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Yup, you and that young fellow Dave Wren are invited and I promise not to change the rules that weekend if a couple of Mopar's happen to be doing well.

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I find it shocking that so many of you guys don't know what you are talking about.
The way it is. The way it has always been.
In a 12 flat to 13.99 class, (Call it PRO) No Car can DIAL quicker than 12.00 flat.
The car could be capable of running 10.99 and provided it meets all of the requirements to go that quick/fast and meets all the requirements of the 12 to 13.99 class,(like DOT legal tires only or no back half cars, or chassis cars, no dragsters allowed) It could legally run under the index, it just can't DIAL under the index.
As a track owner I would simply ban any electronics or throttle stops (except mechanical stops) and be done with it.
In this case the guy is running right on the index and as the air gets better he is capable of going under the index. No big deal. He cannot DIAL quicker than 12 flat and as long as he meets any and all the rules to go quicker than 12 flat he is legal to run under the index without fault.

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It seems personal feelings and beliefs sometimes get in the way of the rule book. I hope this thread has given some of you reason to reflect on how the tracks near you do things and why they do them that way.



Thank you to all whom contributed, I appreciate your input.

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Democracy in action eh? Of course the other option was to roll over and accept a bad ruling. MRP is one track that actually listens and cares about their racers so I think they will make things right.

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And they did. Rule not going into effect at MRP.

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The last line says it all, as long as car is certified to run faster than the dial.

I think the first thing you should do is ask the people who put the rule into place and find out why they are doing, maybe they will answer your question.

our local track tech guys are great (atco raceway) and will clarify any questions.

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Actually, I WAS being a "smarty pants". LOL!

I understand why a racer would be upset with a rules change at mid-season. I also know of, (and race at), many tracks at which this particular deal is a non-issue. My post was only to clarify the original (poorly-worded) complaint and point out that, since many tracks DO toss people for clocking an E.T. under the "bottom break", (NOT just DIALING under it), one should be thankful to get away with it this long.

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I'm not sure I have been getting away with anything, That implies I have been doing something wrong or breaking a rule.

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I just sent an email to the track to ask them the about this scenario. I asked if both cars run under the 12.00 ET, are both DQ'ed, (providing they have been warned previously. I'll post the response once I get one.

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OK here is the response to my email asking about running quicker than the 12.00 Sportsman Class ET Break.

no, not true. The executive never agreed to the rule change and it has been rescinded by the Tech inspector.

Thank-you,
Laura Ness
Office Administrator
Mission Raceway Park
1-877-826-6315
missionraceway@telus.net

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This was already mentioned earlier in this thread. I would imagine they will look at this in the off season but Phil made his case and the track listened. Good of them to get back to you so quickly.

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To bad Eagle doesn't respond that quickly.