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Better watch it Ed, You know what happened to Mayhew and his girlfriends......lol..lmao...

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Any sightings of Bill and the Belles at any St Paddy's Day events?

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LOL now that's funny

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Joe,you know what's funny?That Ford and Fiat Motors with help from NHRA is making it impossible for the majority of the cars in Stock to hide from the wave of new grossly
underfactored cars these companies are turning out.Now that's funny.

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Ed...


I don't think there's any of them going to be showing up in your class.

Now that you have exhausted your supply of adolescent humor, tell me one more time what you think is a bad idea about utilizing transmission brakes in the automatics to counter the clutchless manual transmissions if they combine the classes.

If you can...

I wouldn't bet the farm on it... if I had a farm.

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Bill one good reason "not" to allow them. Is breakage A manual clucth car is easier on the drive train than a brake.
There are guys that run low 10's with manual trans neons. That don't break the parts I broke with a 12 second automatic. (and trans brake)

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Why don't you buy the pig farm next to the muslims in Katy Texas.You seem to have the pig headedness of those arabs.You'd get along just fine with them.
First trans brakes then ah maybe a delay box to go along with that.Yeah that sounds like
Stock elim.
There's no fool like an old fool.

Hey did you score with any of those cuties?

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"Why don't you buy the pig farm next to the muslims in Katy Texas.You seem to have the pig headedness of those arabs.You'd get along just fine with them."
KILL THE MESSENGER!!! Whatever you do, do NOT address any of the issues at hand; insulting the writer of the post is of the UTMOST importance in this strategy. Dealing with the issues is not among the hierachy of subjects to be addressed.

"First trans brakes then ah maybe a delay box to go along with that.Yeah that sounds like
Stock elim."
I said nothing of the kind, or anything like it. YOU own that one...
Attempting to put words in my mouth won't fool anyone on here... they have seen your act enough to recognize that this is just another distraction to direct attention away from the question at hand, which you can't answer.

"There's no fool like an old fool."
Gee, that's yet another non-sequitur to add bulk, but no substance to your totally impertinent note. Oh, I forgot, it's KILL THE MESSENGER, one more time... LOL!

I don't know how you can so artfully manage to avoid the subject, time after time, and live with yourself, but, there it is....

How do you do it???

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I agree.... Yes, the automatic transmission technology has come a long way since the 70's and back then I only ran a stick cause they were faster. With today's auto's, you also have the updated option's with an automatic which makes them just as fast or faster than a stick...Take a look at a PSC computer contolled TCM programer. I can dial in the shift points with one touch on my lap top key pad. Put it in "D" for dumb and let er buck without manually shifting a gear with no tach or shift light. I'd love to see a clucthless allowed in Stock. Just my .02.

Re: Sticks & Autos Together (Class)
 

so guys, what's next?
traction control?
wheel tubs?
fiberglass and lexan?

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Remote Control (R/C) like the .90 classes.

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Why would you want to add any of those things to Stock?

I was just looking for an easy way to counteract clutchless transmissions in the automatic cars, IF the sticks got no-clutch shifting. Seemed like a logical tradeoff to me.

What's wrong with the idea?

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Art,

I can't disagree with anything you said, BUT that's not what I was proposing.

Ed contends that a lot of racers are ALREADY using clutchless transmissions (which are illegal in Stock, as you know,) so IF the powers that be combine the two (automatic and stick) classes, and these scofflaws continue to use their clutchless sticks, NHRA is likely to do what they ALWAYS do when they are faced with enforcing a rule that's difficult to "police"... they will likely, at some point, just legalize cutchless shifting for sticks.

Having done that, I started looking for a way to counter that move for the automatic guys, and came up with trans brakes. Maybe lockup converters might be a better way... trans-brakes ARE hard on parts...

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Simple. Catch anyone using a clutchless and give them a years vacation.

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It's amazing, most of the guys on here talking about rule changes-------DONT RACE!!! Any one who dosent own a class car or has never raced one should keep their mouth SHUT!!!! Go race brackets or wait untill you have built a car and raced it once at a NHRA or IHRA race first. Untill you do that, you have no right to have your opnion considered or discussed. End of storyu. You create all sorts of controversy with stupid sugestiions and get someone to bite and argue with them. Get a life and go somnewhere else!!!

I think sticks and autos would be great together, more heads ups. More to race in class. I think there is enough development in automatic trans cars to make the index almost the same...Off the soap box! Thanks

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Well Todd congratulations,you've now given old Mr Bright Ideas someone new to start
hen pecking.Good luck.

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Ed, and your Doppelganger...

I was running an NHRA Stock Eliminator (class legal) car in 1966-71... and worked as a Stocker Tech a 3 different drag strips from 1958 'til 1969.

Now, I am on a forum that is expressly designed for people who may or may not race, currently, but has self-appointed "moderators" who think they have the right to tell people what they can and cannot post.

Amazing...

If you don't like reading about what some people think may be a good idea for even-ing out the playing field when the rules change, DON'T READ IT1!

If I am watching TV and I don't like what comes on, I change the channel.

At least, if you don't agree with what's being suggested, have the intelligence to state your case and tell what's wrong with th idea being suggested, not just use the Fernandez approach and attack the poster for bringing up an idea in a forum that exists for non-racers (as well as current racers) according to Kan Miele, who runs this show.

Now, I'll ask both of you again, IF the NHRA combines the automatics and sticks, and IF the manual tranny guys receive "legal" clutchless shifting, what would you see as a way to make the automatics more conpetetive with the new "clutchless" sticks, in a heads-up race?

My thought is, give 'em a trans-brake, OR, a lockup converter (but, not both.)

This is a discussion forum. Let's discuss. If you feel like it's somehow beneath you to talk to someone who doesn't currently run a car in an HRA Class, then maybe you should frequent the BB that only accepts posts from people who have a current competition number. This forum is for the rest of us... Ken set it up that way. If that doesn't work for you, talk to him.

Re: Sticks & Autos Together (Class)
 

There is already an Eliminator where clutchless transmissions and transbrakes are permitted. It's called Super Stock. If you want those concessions, move to S/S. Sticks and autos are only combined in very few classes (and the auto's get 5% or 250 pound (whichever is greater) in the S/S Modified and GT Truck classes, and FWD Stock classes are a 100 pound advantage), so the whole argument of sticks vs auto's in the same class is pretty moot.

I still haven't seen a definitive answer to my question early on, about Classes where sticks and auto's can run together, I would guess your trans type would determine which Class Combo Race you would run.

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OK Bill you've worn me down.You can fight wind mills on your own.

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Thanks, Ed. Just like the red light issue, when you can't come up with a logical, legitimate and reasonable argument, you just cave in. And make it sound like I'ts MY FAULT that you have no answers...

There are no "wind mills" here; just suggestions for ways to make racing better and more equitable...but, that's outside your frame of reference.... so be it.

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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Mike,
I didn't make it clear, obviously, and I should have, that I have no dog in this hunt.

I run a Bracket car, not a Class race car, but as a long-time fan and supporter of Sportsman racing, I try to keep tabs on what is happening and of course, I have opinions about how things are handled as regards new rules and regulations.

I am not a proponent of combining the sticks and automatics, but I don't see it as a bad thing, either.

But, if it IS going to be done, there are some issues involving how the rules are written that I think would be worth discussing.

That is what I thought I was doing when I advocated giving Trans Brakes to the automatic cars (or, lockup converters) IF the stick and automatic cars should end up combined in one class and IF it included the legalization of clutchless shifting.

Nowhere did I advocate either of those modifications EXCEPT as a result of NHRA's combining the two types of cars. That may never happen. But, if it does, I believe those two ideas might be worth talking about, regardless of their legality in S/S.

Maybe it's a lousy idea.... might well be. As you pointed out, if that's your bag, build a Super Stocker; good advice! Like I said, it's immaterial to me, personally, whether it becomes a new legal mod or not; I just thougtht it was worthy of discussion.

Sorry for the confusion. I'll try to explain my position more effectively, next time.

Thanks for your interest.

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You still can't let go.Bill,go ***** in your hat.

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Have the gurus at Wikipedia read your meaningful, well-thought-out and full-to-the-brim with logic and clear thinking posts on the red light issue, and here? I would bet if they had, they'd include another paragraph on your ability to ignore the facts and employ circular thinking in all your "arguments." LOL!!!

Your "KILL THE MESSENGER" efforts MIGHT make it into the Guiness Book of World Records, for the consistency of their use... worth a shot!

Like they say in Hollywood, there's no such thing as "bad publicity"
Congratulations on your new-found fame! They don't know your real strengths, though.

:)