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Daryl, everyone qualifies for the US Bracket Nationals at Byron. IT is close by your place and is the same weekend. Why try changing the US Nats? Heck you can save the gas money and go to Byron.

You coming to St. Louis this weekend?

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Right, and at the same weight, I'm still 5 10's faster than you. With 2 points lower compression than you. I have no problem with your car, I have the problem with you trying to promote socialisim in classracing at the biggest event of the year. This is not for the common good, this is for your good. If you cant make your car run well enough for Indy and you are afraid of not quailfying, you should stay home.
BTW If you look at the specs of your engine, and the specs of mine. You have better parts. A 1976 Cutlass with a 455 is rated 295 or 290. Is that a JOKE TOO? As Ed O would say " HAVE A NICE DAY "

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Mike, I have never heard it put better than that! Preach on, brother!

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Ah the last post on Classracer.I guess you're going back over to the $20 Ghosttown
website.Have fun bashing Classracer over there.
BTW I bet Todd Hoven would get HP on your combo in a week if he worked on your car.
Sorry if you think I'm picking on you,but you leave yourself WIDE OPEN to it.

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How did my last post from 2010 come up on the current page??? Ken are you on it?
Oh, and Daryl, don't let the door hit you in the *ss.

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......PLEASE DELETE .........Thread should be removed.

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Ed, someone found the poll, and voted on it. I had not even seen this thread until now.

Re: Should Indy be an All Run Field in Stock?
 

Almost four and a half years down the road and that poor, dead horse is still getting beat, just on a couple of different threads.

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And Billy nails it again !!!!

Re: Should Indy be an All Run Field in Stock?
 

I went to vote on this poll and it tells me that I have already voted. I sure don't remember voting! How could this happen?

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running stock and super stock sure sounds like a job.so you guys work all week at your regular jobs then go to the track and work on your cars all weekend?then have to deal with the possibility of not being allowed to run because you don't go fast enough sounds crazy.for myself going to the track is like a mini vacation which I want to enjoy from start to finish. did spending 2 or 3 grand to go to indy and not qualify feel like such a great and traditional thing when it happened? Did you really say awe shucks I'll get them next time and work harder at the house? Who is indy really for the best mechanics or the best drivers? Gene Schmaltz jr.

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What everyone is forgetting is stock and super stock is a performance based class. If you want to run a all run field run a .90 class. Indy is the best place to show what you have. The person who says that there will come a time that there won't a full field at Indy better put down whatever your smoking. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. There is always someone out there that thinks there faster than the other guy. That's what makes stock and super stock racing.

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LOL. And to think, some people believe Stock Eliminator and Super Stock are just bracket racing classes.

I don't think you'd be too happy in either class.

And yes, I have left Indy after failing to qualify, and said "I will be back".

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Marty, that's easy, you're old!

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You are right Billy! I do forget a lot of things, Maybe this is just another one to add to the growing list of things I have forgotten. Oh, by the way, thanks for pointing this out, Billy! LOL

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Talking about this here at my house right now, so here's how I feel. If NHRA want to only let 128 cars run, then only let 128 cars enter. With the new cars taking so many spots, being under rated (as we all know), let them all run at Indy. We qualified no problem, I just do not want NHRA to get the money from those who did not qualify, and sent home. It's only one more round and we start so early at Indy, they could fit it in. Or, put the new cars in there own class and then let us qualify, and may the fastest cars get in. Stop screwing people with new cars taking spots from cars that have been racing forever. John Shaul, and Ken Richards went to Englishtown the week after Indy and qualified in the top 10,out of 107 cars, but did not qualify for Indy. Sterling Simons was #1 after the first time trial at Charlotte and did not qualify for Indy.

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YES too much money not to run

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Gary, It's not getting fixed. Some said "leave it alone' ,and Jeff agreed.
So that's that.

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It appears that people are still voting on this old poll.
I would suggest starting a new one, which would be more relevant today, after this year's Indy.
Just sayin'

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All run that is fine but the bottom line is it needs to fixed.

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Because some can, and some cant qualify at INDY we should change the rules? If the Factory Stock cars didn't have such a soft index more of the older cars would get in. They need to fix that.

Some guys need to learn how to tune in bad air, other cars have had to much HP on them. I know a few guys who didn't qualify their first trip, learned and tested before the next time. Then they got in. Sometimes its about working on your car and knowing what to do.

I've been there 5 years. Almost every time, I got in on the last run. I spent 3 weeks working on my car, and testing to get in this last one. Made a converter change at Cecil County on Thursday. Drove home that night and came back to race on Saturday. On the Tuesday after. I made 7 more runs to get my car where I thought it was the best it could be. Still needed to go to the Nuclear option on Thursday morning to get in. That's what Indy is all about. Digging deep and finding something to get it done and not giving up.

If things were up to me, Id have the LODS race at Lebanon Valley before Indy In division 1. Going fast at Cecil means nothing. The place is always a mine shaft, even when its bad, and racers get a false sense of security on how their stuff is tuned or running.

Fix the FSB index, rate the new factory race cars a little closer to reality, and leave Indy alone. If you want to have a 100% of qualifying, go to any other national event and race. Leave Indy alone. It's the one race that reminds people that our class is a performance based, not just watered down cement mixer bracket cars with letters on the windows, and big camshafts.......

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Factory Stock, Let Them Have Their Own Eliminator. ( 64 Qualified Cars ) Period.
Just For Indy They Can Do This Format.


The Rest Of Us Poor People, 128 Qualified Cars.

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Todd, back in the Greg X. days, the Numidia points race was just before Indy. If you got your tune-up right to go fast at Numidia, you'd be good to go to Indy.

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Where would the money come from for this?

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[QUOTE=Todd Hoven;180894]Daryl, You should take some of the runner up money you made last year at the Sports Nats, and work on your car. Or better yet instead of beating the keyboard all day long trying to convince other stock racers to get on board with this BS plan of an all run field, maybe get out and TEST with your car. Maybe your next heads up will be a little closer. Indy should be brought back to the way it was. CLASS WINNERS and then the rest of the quailfied field should given the privlige of racing first round and the most prestigious race on the NHRA circut. If you want to do something for the guys that don't make the 128, give them a free ice cream when qualifiying and class is over. Hey, nobody is having a bad day when they are eating ice cream. :)
Fix Indy back to where is should be. Class winers first. Off the soap box.[/QUOT

AMEN !!!!!

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Seriously?

The three OEM's that are building the cars and getting them their factory super car showdown.

That wasn't hard at all.

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Besides the factories chipping in take a bit off the top of Compton and Co. salaries. It's only for one race, the biggest and the one all class racers aspire to.
It's so easy a caveman can figure it out.

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You're back. What did Rethke bounce you off the No Class site?
Remember the old James Bond movie. Never say never again.

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Class winners first then fill tbe 128 car field with fastest cars as it was.

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They Pay Their Own Entry Fee Now To Race In Stock Eliminator Don't They ??

If 80 Cars Show Up In The Factory Stock Class, Than It's 80 x ( $500 To Enter Indy Right ?? ) $4,000 Taken In.

Winner- $2,000
R.U.- $500.
Semi's- $300.
Quarters- $200.

Plus Maybe The Big 3 Can Add Some $$$$ To The Pot.
Like The Hemi Shoot-Out.

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80 x $500 = $40,000

just sayin'

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The only problem I have with this is the classes with one car that never competes for class, and many times would not even come close to qualifying based off of the index.

So I'd say contested class winners get in, not just class winners.

Because these are performance based eliminators. If you do not have to race another car to win class, then you should qualify according to how far you run under your index. Performance based means you measure yourself against competitors. If there are no competitors in your class, then you measure your performance against the rest of the cars qualifying off of their index.

Yeah, I know, "it's not your fault you're the only person who built an obscure combination for a class no one else in the country runs." But it is your fault if that combination can't run far enough under the index to qualify. If the guy who decides to run B/SA against 10-15 other cars, but doesn't win class, does not qualify running 0.780 under his index, why should anyone who competes against no one get in if they can't run 0.500 under going down hill with a tail wind, just because they got to solo for class? How do you call it a performance based eliminator, then reward someone for avoiding the need to compete based on performance? If you're going to do that, just stopping racing, and give everyone a trophy for showing up.

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Alan,the knife cuts both ways.I had a car that ran T/SA.There are more than a few around the country. It's not my fault if they don't care to come to Indy.
Worse comes to worse they could run the auto/stick combo if need be.

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The best place to tune for Indy is Bowling Green. Test on Thursday, race the weekend, if needed rent the track on Monday. Do what it takes to get in the "Show".

Class winners,(must run on or under index), and the rest of field filed by the fastest qualifiers. The AHFS will work much better in the larger classes if class winners get in. It will raise the bump spot for a year or two and get people looking at different combos.

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I go to Indy one year and there are 4 U/SA cars there. I win class and get into the Eliminator. The following year I go and I am the only U/SA car there. I can't run the index and I don't get in the Eliminator. Then NHRA changes format and says you have to be -500 under on a bye run to get in. Then they group all the singles into a combo category where the fastest is going to win for sure

I have had it with you nitwits that say "you're the only person in a class", "no one else in the country runs that combo", "you need to work on your car" You guys complain about the new cars being under factored and it's not fair.

How about having to deal with this for a lot of years.Bob Dennis banana car. Bob Shaw's turbo Mercury Capri, Chevrolet Caprice, and the Caddy. Paul Wong and his Chevy pick up, Gary Summers little Mustang, Lloyd MacKay Buick. #1 qualifiers all of them. And not by a little bit, 2 second under cars.

I'll just throw $20,000 in the car with hard work and then I'll be right there with them, right. NHRA's AHFS is an absolute joke that is run by the manufactures. How about all those die hards that have flogged their combo for years to get it to run as good as it does. Then NHRA allows some bogus HP cars to come into their class and totally destroy them.

"Class" is supposed to be a performance based thing, got no problem with that. But if I'm the only one in my class, don't give me your crap about me trying to win with some obscure combo. Heck, NHRA is the one who is screwing over everyone with their new format of the quickest 128.

Indy should be class winners followed by the quickest. And if I win class as I am the only one, don't I still have to dial in for the Eliminator.

And if you do not like my opinion, then tell it to me face to face so I can recognize you as an a$$hole.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA where the #1's live.

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damn ron you may need some jack links beef jerky cause they are messin with sasquach

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Ed, that's fair enough, then they either win their combo to get in, or they qualify off of their index. That evens things up.

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Damn, My Math Was Off By 2 Miles. Thanks For The Correction Alan.

Yeah, So Their's Way More Than Enough Money For Their Own Eliminator, And Than Some.

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What about a racer who has 10-12 cars in his/her Class in the country. All but one live east of the Mississippi. Two years in a row at Indy, he is the only one who shows up. **** it, penalize him, he showed when no one else did and was only -.73, he can't race.

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How is that guy any different than the guy who shows up, races 3 rounds of class, doesn't win, and doesn't go far enough under to get in on time? If they both go 0.730 under, and the bump is 0.770, they were both too slow to make the cut.

If we're going to call it a "performance based class", why should anyone not have to qualify based off of their index?

Everyone qualifies off of their index, everyone competes for a class win, the cars that are alone in their class race in the combo, and everyone is subject to the AHFS. So everyone has to perform to the same standard to make the final eliminations, either win your class or class combo, or be far enough under the index. Seems fair enough to me.

We plan to be back at Indy soon, if we don't make the cut, it means we didn't get it done, we'll go home.