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HOpe your dad has a healthy safe recovery and your family will be in our prayers Austin.

WHAT !!??? Austin, fill me in, what's up with the Charlie-Miester ???? Haven't heard a peep.

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Austin
You ever heard of Adam Davis?

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I think the sport is called "racing" for a reason. :eek:

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Yea I know Adam Davis, he's a good guy. I don't have any thing bad to say bout him, even if he did kick my butt heads up 2nd round in Houston:D. ...That's another race I shut off cuz he was goin 1.42 under, he was ahead of me though.

Oh, and my dad is gonna be fine. He is just doin a lot of testing on his heart and may have to do some procedures. I'll let him get on here and tell yall more if he wants.
Thanx for the concern

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James, Is that your car that Michael driving??? Why didnt you go to Indy??

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I left the keys in the car again..
You would think I would have learned from 2007 when I left the keys in it and Lee Zane stole it.
Lets hope my boy can go all the way,
Then I will never get it back..Like Alan says'" All that car needed is a DRIVER"!!!
See you soon Steff

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Come on, you have been driving killer this year...

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To get back on the topic of this thread,I race in F/SA with a 1970 442 Convertible at 3950 pounds.

Just for kicks,I went to one of those online horsepower calculators,and tried to figure out how much horsepower I would need to run 10.87,which is what the F/SA class winner ran in the class final.These were the results:


Horsepower Results - 1/4 Mile Method
Your 442 weighs about 3950 pounds and can complete a 1/4 mile in about 10.87 seconds. That means that you've got about 607.85 HP at the wheels, and about 790.20 HP at the flywheel.


I don't know much about the 340,but how much horsepower and weight are they running?

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hahaha well that calculator is a bit off. My 72 340 Duster on that calculator made 659hp @ 3205lbs. I didnt know BUB made that much power, he really is the man!!!

oh yea btw nice runs Findell, Mosbek, and Wann!!!

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Mr 442. For a car weighing 3950 to run 10.90 at 119. You would have to make around 525 at the flywheel. What is your Comp Ratio? What are you rated at? Just wondering? I know the 70 455 Olds Combo is tough. What is the fastest you have been? Those 340 Mopars are bad. Glad they don't run G :)

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442

I have heard from a Chevy racer that his engine builder also builds some fast 340 motors and they will make 500 hp on his dyno. Thats seems to me a pretty close figure, IMO.

The thing that amazes me is that there are over 17 340/289 cars that have run 1.00 under (1.275 to 1.03) the first 6 month period according to Nitro Joe's Stats. He shows a total of 33 340/289 making Sea Level passes in the same period. They are from all over the country and I only counted Sea Level runs. To say they need some HP is up to NHRA. What do you think?? Its pretty obvious to me, but then I drive a Fairlane with a School Bus motor in it.

Todd

They are in "G" Bud!! But I don't think that Ponitac has much to worry about.

R J Sledge

R J Sledge

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Wow that is overwhelming numbers for that combo. Almost wants me to sell all of my junk and build that combo. But then i would have to listen to all of the Fiat jokes!

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A good stock eliminator motor needs to make about 1.5 times it's rated hp on a conservative dyno. The 340 low compression Mopars do a little better than that. My motor does a little worse than that. All that being said there is more to making a stock eliminator car run that just the motor. These days you need a really trick trans, good converter and a whole lot more.

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Greg

I agree with you........even if you do drive a Chevrolet. Does the fact that so many of these car running the 340/289 combo can run so far under surprise you? I hope that after Indy they (NHRA) will take a good look at the combo. I am not trying to sound mean, but what other combo in E and F have so many cars capable of running that far under. Are there many cars like yours that run that far under? I realize that its a "killer" combo, but I for one believe they need some HP. Indy proved that, even Ray Charles could see that!.

See you soon

RJ

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RJ, I agree with you, even though you drive a Ford. Oh by the way I now own a new Ford Flex. First Ford I've ever owned and love it.

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442 it looks to me like your motor needs to make about 540 hp to run 1.25 under. also everything else would need to be really good to do that.

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First the Duster only has to weigh 3200lbs to run FSA. If someone tells you there 340 motor makes 500hp, you should use there dyno so yours can make 800hp. The 340 is a good combo and it does make more than 1.5 per but it does not make 500 are 480 are 460hp. That is a big fish story. I had one of these and it was pretty fast and it did not make anywhere close to these numbers. I vote that RJ is Number 1 on the bs. He has always been there and will always keep that spot. He is the King!

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I remember seeing yours at the Orlando test session. I think it was when you sold it. Went in the high tens if I remember right. I just remember it being so fast, I figured one of those with a stick would be killer.

A lot of fast ones out there. I think it is hilarious how this thread started though. BTW I saw one in the barn too. No issues. Good combo for sure.

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Mitch

Good to hear from you, I understand that you're out of the country for a while. I appreciate the vote of support for me being the biggest BS'r, its taken me 65 years of awfully hard work to attain all that. I was bought up in the car business and have been selling and BSing since I was about 15 years old. Sold my first New Ford Truck (64 F100 Custom Cab with the big 6) when I was 17. I have heard and delivered about as much BS as any body, If there is any award for attaining this lofty position I would accept it gladly. Knowing so much about BS and all that comes with it is a very enlighting life experience.

I do have a Top 10 BS List, and you will never guess what my Top Pick is.

My official number one BS award must go to the Mopar 340/289 HP Combo, nothing else is even close. And like you and others have said I know a lot about BS, and what took place at INDY should establish without question that the Combo needs HP.

No hard feelings Bud, I look forward to seeing you back in the States and at the races.

R J Sledge
#1 BS'r

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A really good stocker is 1.25 to 1.35 x CID. Remember a bored & stroked stocker is usually about 12 CID over advertised.
1.5 is an absolute killer #1 qualifier at most any event...as long as everything else is up to par (or better). Likewise, you can suffer a little on the HP if you have everything else that is super-primo. I'm not sure what language that is but you get the idea.

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RJ, The number 1 bs combo is the CJ, It needs about 50 for the rest of the ASA can run with it. The 340 maybe 1-2hp. Missed Indy this year , will be there next!

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Well Jeff i think you hit the nail right on the head. The 340/289 HP combo fits that 1.5 HP figure to a tee and Mitch confirmed it. Maybe NHRA will make some adjustments to this combo. Hope to see your car soon at the races.

Kirk

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You're right about the CJ's needing power, but the new Hemi's ran very close to them. They also need power. Hopefully NHRA will take care of it. Just don't hold your breath!

It makes no difference what Class you run, if another Combo has got a strangle hold on it, and has it in large numbers (number of cars) then it needs HP. I don't care if its a Ford, GM, Mopar or what, its not right.

My car is fast, I don't know of another 390 Ford that runs like it does. I spend a lot of money and all my time working on it. Its like its my job. I can go 1.20 under on occasion in killer air and a great track. There are 8 or 10 340/289 cars that are not only fast, they are BAD Fast. Its just common sense if you have 3 cars at indy that are running them out and going 1.29, 1.25 and 1.17 under the index they need to add some power to them.

The Barracuda and Challenger 340 Combo's are rated at 299 hp, People say they are different body styles. I say BS, they both have a 108" wheelbase, so why do they carry different HP ratings. It was a screw up by somebody no longer at NHRA. They should have given the extra 10 hp to all the 108" wheelbase cars Period!!! My Fairlane (116" wheelbase) carrys the same Factor as a Mustang (108" wheelbase), so should I have a lower HP Factor than a Mustang with a 390?? NHRA says no, you are rated at the same Factor. So why does a Duster get it at 289 hp and its 299 hp for the Challenger and Cuda and they share the same exact wheelbase. Please don't tell me some California Cuda or Challenger ran to far under 5 or 6 years ago and since they are "B" body and not "E" body or "C" body or "A" body or anybody, cars that they are different. BS they both share the same 108" wheelbase and they should both share the 299 HP Factor.

Findell, Buckner, Wann, Mosbeck, Lowell, Durham, Davis, all have gone under by a mile this year. The 5 fastest passes during the first 6 month period in F/SA included 4 340/289 hp cars. And you say they need how much power 1-2 hp? You were making a joke right? I hope that NHRA does the right thing, I have my doubts.

Like David Buckner said in his original post...."4 hp won't make a bit of difference for us". Hey at least he was being honest.

Later RJ Sledge

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RJ
Not that it really matters but the Cudas, Darts and Challys have different wheelbases. The 67-69 Dart is 111 except the 68 Hemi which is 110. The 67-69 Cuda is 108 including the 68 Hemi. The Ebody Cuda is 108 but the Chally is 110. The Duster is 108. While not the same they are for sure closer in size than the Fairlane and a Mustang and your point is still valid as to the Fords being in different "families" except in NHRA's eyes.

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The "small mopars" have one of the best transmissions ava. almost from the factory..so if you drive something else you need the best thing out there to be on the same level in that area...so in the past it was not all about the engine itself...but all-in-all its still about a engine/trans combo so if they need power is up to the "powers" so to say..i also think thats why you havent seen very many mopars running stick-shift from past to present...the engines maybe werent good enough when you took the automatic out of the combo!

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The dangerous thing here is that all the 1000 foot "divers" (NOT DRIVERS) are ruining it for the fans.
I was at Indy for Thursday and Friday to watch my favourite classes, Stock and Super Stock. It is a dissapointment to go there and see cars lifting during the qualifying passes, but to watch so many cars try to nose an opponent in class and some even getting whizzed themselves by trying to protect the horsepower, geesh. Whats next throttle stops? My car has never been as fast as the "class"of SS/CS
but I try very hard to be as fast as I can be and savour the day when I can go to Indy with enough under the hood to make my opponent wonder if he has enough for me. If I can cast that doubt I will be pretty happy. When they show how fast they really can be I just know I have to work harder.

My point is it is called racing, Pinks is succesful because they do not put up with sand baggers, we as a class do not want to be grouped with the "super bracket" classes but with that kind of showing how could that not happen? This is very dangerous ground and could surely result in the same exodus of fans during our run sessions that the other classes have created.

ARE YOU SURE that protecting you horsepower is that important?

I applaud anybody that has the guts to lay it all on the line ( the finish line) and say this is my best sXXt, catch me if you can! If we all protected horsepower, we would eventually never strive to go faster.

Venice Perno
SS/CS 3041

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Very well said Venice. I was there Thursday and saw it as well.

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I agree.....very well said. I like the part about "DIVERS" and not drivers. Also the part about throttle stops. Its almost like the stock and super stock guys are using finish line throttle stops. The fans (what few there are) are going to go for a hot dog when the class cars run just like when the .90 guys run. As long as NHRA has a 128 qualified car limit on the field you will have this situation. Maybe they need to go back to class winners only get to run for the eliminator to stop this foolishness.