Re: Blown, injected, 4-valve CJ's at Ennis...
 

AND WHAT DIVISION DIRECTORS ALLOW THAT ???
Could you name some tracks and Division Directors that allow Tech to do that ??

Re: Blown, injected, 4-valve CJ's at Ennis...
 

ok the .4 was an exxageration. but you can set a record at an altitude factored track without putting the number on the board. and they are exempt from getting hit with HP. It is BS

Re: Blown, injected, 4-valve CJ's at Ennis...
 

This post is Bogus!!! Once again these cars have not done anything wrong but show potential. Robert Pond and Bobby DeArmond have been running nines for the last couple years and they haven't generated this kind of attention. Geez, this is ridicoulous!

Re: Blown, injected, 4-valve CJ's at Ennis...
 

Have either of them (DeArmond or Pond) ever run anything approaching 140 mph?

MPH is the telling number in drag racing. It is a lot more reliable as a horsepower-to-weight indicator than e.t. slips because bite will vary from track to track, and when the hook changes, so does the e.t., but the mph is a lot more constant, regardless of e.t. variations.

These cars have had very little development (track) time and are already running numbers that no one else can approach, with years of development. THAT is the problem; all provided by the 425hp factor that NHRA has bestowed upon them (and the 700+ horsepower they seem to be able to produce, at will.)

Given these circumstances. don't you think this situation is worthy of some discussion?

I do...

Re: Blown, injected, 4-valve CJ's at Ennis...
 

Hay Bill, What I really want to know is what was NHRA smoking the day they put that factor on the CJ's........I WANT SOME !

Re: Blown, injected, 4-valve CJ's at Ennis...
 

Good one Jack... I LMAO when I read that !!

Where we bracket race 85% of the time I spend "dumping" the other driver at the stripe, so I hear where you are coming from. :)

Re: Blown, injected, 4-valve CJ's at Ennis...
 

Jack,
CJ at Atco to the 1/8 = 6.16 et @ 111.86 mph. CJ at Dallas to the 1/8 = 6.210 et @ 110.01 mph and 1/4 = 9.794 @ 140.17 mph. Looks like the CJ at Atco could have gone close to 142 mph.

Smitty,
It may look like Ford and Mopar have pulled this stunt off but heads have begun to roll over this mess. Things can still change. How will it hurt you, if these cars are moved to another class?

Re: Blown, injected, 4-valve CJ's at Ennis...
 

Bob Pagano asked: "... what was NHRA smoking the day they put that factor on the CJ's........I WANT SOME !"

The same thing they were smoking when they decreed that somebody driving a Stock Eliminator car needs to wear S.F.I. pants.... and that seat belts need replacing ever TWO years, when even NASCAR allows them to be used for FIVE....

Re: Blown, injected, 4-valve CJ's at Ennis...
 

Why is everyone so hung up on MPH. It's an elapsed time race not a high mph race.
Let's see what happens when they line up against another car in class. If they run too fast they will get hit.
I've built cars for the last 30 years and have always been short in mph. But (present car not counted) I've usually had the quickest car. Like my old partner Tex used to say "they blew by me at the last mph light (back when it was past the finish)

Re: Blown, injected, 4-valve CJ's at Ennis...
 

How true Artie , how very , very true.......but at some point they'll learn to harness that MPH and turn it into ET ................

Re: Blown, injected, 4-valve CJ's at Ennis...
 

I agree in a sense, but its also hard to back into a car going 140 past you. However besides Calvert who got a lot of breaks in Pomona these Cj's have not really went rounds in competition yet.

Re: Blown, injected, 4-valve CJ's at Ennis...
 

we know these guys are playing the system, we're using MPH to try and figure out HOW MUCH they are playing the system

Re: Blown, injected, 4-valve CJ's at Ennis...
 

How Much? - My super-gas '69 mustang would run about 110mph in the 1/8 and it was capable of 9.40's in the 1/4. My car was lighter but by the 1/8 mile they already have that extra mass accelerating faster, how much difference would there be in the second half?

Re: Blown, injected, 4-valve CJ's at Ennis...
 

Sorry ..little "off topic"

from anoter site:
The correction factor for Las Vegas is .9757

8.630 x .9757 = 8.42

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Jared Jordan
7551 SS/BA

just one example but alot of records are from "the strip"..C.W. was faster at the Dutch last fall than Vegas at the shootout..even with the factor..he's a good example because i think he's never "holding any".. may have developed over the winter also..so what would you like to do with E.T's from Atco,"Dutch" and Houston,Florida,"Alabama" made in the "winter"?

Re: Blown, injected, 4-valve CJ's at Ennis...
 

Art Leong asked, "Why is everyone so hung up on MPH. It's an elapsed time race not a high mph race."

That's true.
But, for purposes of engine output analysis, the e.t's can vary a lot depending on traction; mphs do not. That makes the mph figure a lot more reliable indicator of horsepower delivered to the ground.

You can make a run taking off in 2nd gear and it will absolutely KILL yout e.t., but won't affect the mph nearly as much.

These Mustangs are set up to leave very "soft" and for the mph they're turning, really should be running a lot quicker than they are... like 9.40's-9.50's. I'll bet their 60-foot times are nowhere near the 1.20s, where they should be.

But, the mph remains the reliable indicator of performance that tells HP output without much variance.

That's why people on here, who are trying to evaluate the output of these CJ engines, are "hung up" on trap speed. It's just the most accurate way to judge the potential of these cars.

Re: Blown, injected, 4-valve CJ's at Ennis...
 

you put the number on the scoreboard, you get the record. thats a pretty simple concept. you mentioned houston, thats a a double edged sword. I've raced there in august/september in 4200' DA. where's the correction factor for 110% humidity and 104 degrees? THERE ISN'T ONE! and you shouldn't get a freebie record because you are at a factored track.

Re: Blown, injected, 4-valve CJ's at Ennis...
 

Your car should run 146 mph in the 1/4 based on a 110 mph 1/8th.

There is a post on another forum where everyone posted both their 1/8th and 1/4 mph and I did the calculations. (Post # 64) Those are real world numbers.

1/8th mile per hour is usually ( but not always) 75 % of the 1/4 mile mph. In the last 200 feet of the 1/4 mile track, I would venture to say the rate of gain noses over, a bunch.

I study speed and distance as well as rate of gain ( as a hobby) in drag racing. :D

Anyway, here is a copy of everyones % of mph gain from the 1/8th to the 1/4 :

25.4 %
25.4 %
26.1 %
25.8 %
26.2 %
23.7 %
24.9 %
26.1 %
28.0 %
36.9 % ...?????
23.4 %
27.2 %
22.0 %
26.5 %
23.9 %
22.0 %
25.2 %
25.4 %
31.9 %
25.0 %
26.0 %
31.1 %
31.2%
32.7 %
24.4 %
26.0 %
29.9 %
24.5 %
15.8 % ...???
24.8 %
22.6 %
26.2 %
21.6 %
31.9 %
25.8 %
29.5 %
21.1 %
27.6 %
Here's the link:
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=72186

Re: Blown, injected, 4-valve CJ's at Ennis...
 

How will hurt me, will it will pull the 15 year old paint and 15 year old valves out if my cylinder heads when they leave me or come by heap. It doesn't concern me that they have that much potential because anything can happen on that starting line. If those guys get in SS/IA or SS/HA we will run, I have my car to have fun and I know what my capabilities are so I don't get uptight. Heck I am in Florida, if you don't know one of the fastest if not fastest at sea level non factored SS/IA cars is here and it belongs to Rick Brewer. I know I can't out run him so I don't worry about it, he's go me covered by a second.
My whole point is we all need to run our cars and not worry about the guy in the other lane, if he has to put a number on the window make him run his number.

Re: Blown, injected, 4-valve CJ's at Ennis...
 

Does anybody know if these AA/SA Fords are running LOCK-UP torque converters?

Re: Blown, injected, 4-valve CJ's at Ennis...
 

Lockup convertors are not legal in Stock unless they're the OEM actual piece, are they?

That's what I've always heard. I think these CJ's have aftermarket convertors in them, which would disallow lockup units.

Don't bet the farm on that; It's just what I assume, based on what I've heard.

Re: Blown, injected, 4-valve CJ's at Ennis...
 

Brewer is fast, but I really doubt he is the fastest SS/HA or SS/IA.

Re: Blown, injected, 4-valve CJ's at Ennis...
 

But you think it should work the other way too right...no freebies when the air is an actual -1000-1500 or whatever it could turn out too...or?

Re: Blown, injected, 4-valve CJ's at Ennis...
 

Brewer's car can run 9.60's and 9.70's anywhere in SS/IA. Find a faster sea level SS/IA car. Case in point, he went 9.74 at Gainesville this year, who's been faster? The Fogle's have been 9.60's in SS/HA with their Camaro also.

Re: Blown, injected, 4-valve CJ's at Ennis...
 

The Worner's SS/IA ran 9.64 at Belle Rose in SS/IA this year.

Re: Blown, injected, 4-valve CJ's at Ennis...
 

Angelo DiTocco runs pretty well.

It amazes me they can get those cars light enough to run H.

Re: Blown, injected, 4-valve CJ's at Ennis...
 

Ed, thats because Ang cant get his car light enough to run HA, when he runs HA, he is ususally heavy for IA.

Re: Blown, injected, 4-valve CJ's at Ennis...
 

There are others in the class that are fast, dont forget about the Bohanans.

Re: Blown, injected, 4-valve CJ's at Ennis...
 

I was wondering where I could take out over 300 more lbs. I can't quite get mine light enough for the top of I, for sure not H.

Thanks, Ed

Re: Blown, injected, 4-valve CJ's at Ennis...
 

Daryl
From what I've been told, the Automatic cars have C4 's in them. Near impossible to use a fluid actuated
lock up converter. If anybody is using a centrifical type lock up,..well that's been illegal for decades.

Re: Blown, injected, 4-valve CJ's at Ennis...
 

What about the current SS/IA record holder? If you don't think he's fast at sea level your very mistaken! Ya.. ya... he set the record in Boise, there was a certain SS/AA car that set the record there in 2001 then came to Mission a few weeks later and ran quicker.

Shawn

Re: Blown, injected, 4-valve CJ's at Ennis...
 

i'm saying you play the hand you are dealt, and race in the air you are in. if you were in montgomery in 02 i beleive, you got -1700 feet, and ton of records were set. either you factor ALL back to seal level for the actual DA at the time run (regardless of whether the track's altitude is 5000ft or 5ft), or you factor NOTHING