Re: Easy way to help AHFS work
 

I'm old enough unfortunately to remember before the AHFS . One fast run got you hp. Tuff cookies for the others with that combination. I believe NHRA tried to come up with a system that didn't chase the guy or gal out that didn't have the knowledge or the bank roll to keep up. Making a tweak like throw out the mineshaft races and seeing what happens for a year or two could change things. At least something like that. For example the divisional race at Boise this year in stock had 37 cars. 13 were a second or more under and it went mineshaft. So none of those runs mattered. I would have to research to see how many races went mineshaft. Could be very few. It would be a job at this point to add them in now and look at combination averages. Again just a change to one thing and see what happens. Looking under the hood at least for a second under run isn't the end of the world either.

Paul

Re: Easy way to help AHFS work
 

I am certainly no expert on how the AHFS was intended to "level the field" with so many classes, but wouldn`t it be nice if any car that ran quick enough to cause a HP increase, was at least given a full teardown to ensure that it was indeed legal at the time of the run?

Re: Easy way to help AHFS work
 

There will always be racers to manipulate any system in place for their own benefit, and why wouldn't they. No system is perfect and performance Awards would be nice.

I think an easy way for the AHFS to work is to lower the trigger to -.50 under. This would make it very difficult to bring the average down and protect the combo. I know people will say this only helps the "slugs" but it may also promote new blood into the class as any system should be what is best for the sport not the individual.

These are just my thoughts so flame away

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Probably easier to just give the bye to however many cars there are above 64. 70 cars means the top 6 cars get a bye. 65 cars means only number 1 gets a bye. No crazy new formulas for an unknown ladder. Would this apply to national events only?

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I do like a first round bye, but I think making #1 qualifier a contingency paying position for national and divisonals would be very effective as well.....kind of like what class used to be expect better.....who wouldn't want their products on the #1 qualifier? #1 qualifier really should be looking at the same if not more than the contingency for winning the race. It wouldn't be boring at least. Eric

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Even pay the top 5 qualifiers. Make it a little more incentive for it not to be a bracket class. Go back to giving a round point to the number one qualifier as well.

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All of this is easy. You said someone goes -1.10 under one race then run -.55 under twice to bring average down. All Nhra has to do on those runs is take the 1/8 mile numbers and run them against the -1.10 under run the week before. Doing this would fix a lot of combos in about 6 months.

Disclaimer: I no longer run SS anymore but still like to read all the posts about s/ss. Just my .02

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Ed, Please give me a call today.

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That wont work!!
They dont run fast to the 1/8 and then lift,they just go slow (on 2 barrels or a stop in the linkage etc.)
Anyone that has been .850 (.950) under or more during the period should not qualify for supplying any runs slower than that to AFHS

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Quote: Kevin, Where are we going with this? I don't disagree with much of what you said, but what would be your plan?
Tom put forth his. NHRA isn't going to do it, but that's the theme here.

Mark, I thought I was pretty clear on how to "FIX" the AHFS. Bring back performance to the STK and SS Classes. More class runoffs(we use to have class for either STK or SS at every National Event, some had both (Indy, Gators and Vegas) plus we also had 3 Sports Nationals! Bring Back the Performers Award. Perhaps points for top 5 or top 10 qualifiers, points for class winners? More review periods, not less. I like Charlie's idea for qualifying 64 cars at National Events; however it will not make the top half push themselves anymore than they do now....the bottom half are the ones that will need to start running it out or harder thus probably pushing the fields into "mineshaft" more often and negating more 1 sec under runs which would have triggered reviews for HP.

Most of the competitors voicing their displeasure with "soft combinations" and the AHFS system not working are also competitors(generally speaking) which at one time had under factored combos themselves. They ran them hard, received HP over a long period of time and now are pissed because other guys are in the same position they were 10-20 years ago. And that is another huge problem....it took a lot of the older combos a decade or more to get all the HP they have today...but just like Millennials everybody needs everything right away, "Instant Gratification"!!! If you want the system to work then don't move classes, chase guys down with those combos and make them run hard! Ohhh but that 's right, you might have to be the sacrificial lamb a few times to get results... Yes it will take time for them to get HP put on those combos, just like all the other combos before them and probably longer now due to the dilution of the classes and lack of performance rewards. But it will happen.

Changing or "tweaking" the AHFS to MF all these combos in 1 or 2 years is nothing but absurd and childish!!! Like I said before, there is more than one way for the competitors with these combos to get around receiving mass quantities of HP....If you think they will just play into your hands and destroy their s@#t for a #1 qualifying position at a nothing race, that's crazy!

PS: Mark there are two other options...work on your stuff or change your stuff!!! IMHO

Rant over....the minority groups will prosper in todays societal environment!