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Carguy49 01-30-2019 12:17 PM
Re: FS/XX - SS/AH In Comp ?
 
I like the idea. The index should be a little higher for each of the classes. Maybe 8.90 for the Hemi cars and 8.60 for the Factory cars. Just an idea.

fastlane 01-30-2019 12:34 PM
Re: FS/XX - SS/AH In Comp ?
 
The problem I see is NHRA says FSS all rules apply so in comp
9 inch tire
no transbrake
no airshifter
3525 lbs or 3550 depending on brand
and having a second tune for Sunoco when most run VP
every one of those things is making them not competitive with the competition

Jim Bailey 01-30-2019 12:42 PM
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I think it's a positive "start". It addresses a couple issues. Number one - too many classes in Super Stock. Number two - short car counts in Comp. My thought is to continue on, and move other "Modified" classes in Super Stock to Comp to further clean up the SS class, and returning to the more conventional SS Cars. This could also lead to a cleansing in Stock, by making room for the current Super Stock style cars running in Stock to be moved to SS where they belong.....

SSGT Mustang 01-30-2019 01:12 PM
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I think getting low 9, 8, and now 7 second cars out of stock eliminator is a very big step in the right direction if that's how this plays out.

Running a 150 mph plus car against 90-120 mph cars just isn't safe in my opinion. I can't imagine that guys running those cars are to thrilled having to run a 12 second car sitting on the limiter for 3 or 4 seconds. Seems like a lifetime.

Hemi cars are going to need a weight break with that index. They would all need to be 8.20 cars just to be fifty under, and fifty under doesn't cut it in comp anymore. They're on the ragged edge as it is. I'm not sure they could get to -.70 under unless there was a big weight break and other changes allowed.

Chuck Norton 01-30-2019 01:18 PM
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Wonder if this pairing had any effect on the decision?


Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed
7947 Bill O'Connor 7167 Ryan Priddy
E1 ****WINNER**** 0.125 16.434 78.95 0.011 8.879 107.04
EF/S Dial: 16.46 (+/-): -0.026 FS/AA Dial: 9.39 (+/-): -0.511
Qualified: #8 16.511 -0.939 #37 8.592 -0.808

fastlane 01-30-2019 01:23 PM
Re: FS/XX - SS/AH In Comp ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SSGT Mustang (Post 581262)
I think getting low 9, 8, and now 7 second cars out of stock eliminator is a very big step in the right direction if that's how this plays out.

Running a 150 mph plus car against 90-120 mph cars just isn't safe in my opinion. I can't imagine that guys running those cars are to thrilled having to run a 12 second car sitting on the limiter for 3 or 4 seconds. Seems like a lifetime.

Hemi cars are going to need a weight break with that index. They would all need to be 8.20 cars just to be fifty under, and fifty under doesn't cut it in comp anymore. They're on the ragged edge as it is. I'm not sure they could get to -.70 under unless there was a big weight break and other changes allowed.
How about the FSS cars at 8.47 that would be 7.97 faster then any FSS car ever ran last year, does that seem fair? And add in they must run a 9 inch tire and no trans brake or airshifter and 3525 lbs

Bucky Hess 01-30-2019 01:45 PM
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I called div 1 director to thank him for getting an index in comp , but explained that it was to hard even in mineshaft we could barely go .5 under . And he said "We don't want to bring in new classes and scare off existing comp racers. Hemi cars still have SS where most Comp cars dont have a different category to go to".I was hoping if it was higher a bunch of ah guys could support and save comp. but I guess they really don't want us or need us. nhra is clueless

Andrew Hill 01-30-2019 02:01 PM
Re: FS/XX - SS/AH In Comp ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fastlane (Post 581265)
How about the FSS cars at 8.47 that would be 7.97 faster then any FSS car ever ran last year, does that seem fair? And add in they must run a 9 inch tire and no trans brake or airshifter and 3525 lbs
Pawuk went 7.92 and Pritchett went 7.93 last year, so -.54 under in good air. Not to mention the 7.70s-7.80s runs made in testing with the new COPO and Cobra Jet combos these past couple weeks (granted, in really good air). These cars have continued to pick up a lot of ET every year, and it appears that 2019 will be more of the same. It may be a little tough right now, but it's at least in the ball park. The last thing comp needs is another AA/SM situation when a new class just demolishes everything else out there.

The AH index does seem super tough though. The quickest AH run in 2018 (at the Gators, no less) would only be -0.45 under the 8.75 index.

I love comp and hope this increases the field size.

rboyle 01-30-2019 02:08 PM
Re: FS/XX - SS/AH In Comp ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken Miele (Post 581234)
There has been talk of the FS/XX and SS/AH class running in Comp. What do you guys think. Many of these racer don't want to race in the bracket format of Stock and Super Stock. They would like to run more heads up type racing. I know Comp is not a flat out heads up class with handy cap starts and lifting at the other end most times, but it might be a better option for these classes.

When there is no Hemi Challenge or Factory Stock Showdown race, it would be a option to race Comp. Maybe some would race it all the time as they feel that FSS is out of there reach. Other questions would be, how do you think the current Comp teams would feel about it, and do you think it would give Comp a shot in the arm to make the class more popular.
I think it's a great option. Key word is option. Some cars and teams will be competitive right away, some may have a learning curve and others will stay where they are.
I also think the current Comp teams will welcome the new racers. The fuller fields, more car counts can help keep Comp alive. It is the classic, first to the finish line wins type racing that drew most of us to Drag Racing.

Hacksaw 01-30-2019 02:27 PM
Re: FS/XX - SS/AH In Comp ?
 
This is a good move for all but two things, at first it will be hard to accept the new FS cars mixing it up with the regular group but given the diversity of the class it won't take long to for them to fit in. Second, the AH cars got a very less than favorable index and probably the only way that will get moved is after they show that they are not competitive, which means they show up to race and know their taking a beatin for how long ???? Don't see that happening.


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