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novassdude 11-02-2017 03:09 PM

Re: 2017 to 2018 Rule Amendments
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Beard (Post 548954)
Absolutely not! All safety rules should be based on E.T. and mph. Physics is unaffected by what decals are on the windows. There's always going to be a line where there are additional safety requirements. It makes far more sense to have one line, instead of numerous arbitrary lines.

This is one of major problems that NHRA has now. The "index or class"-based safety rules that they currently have allow one 275hp combo to go 10.00 with a roll bar, -1 firesuit, etc, while mandating that another 275hp combo running 10.80 must have a full roll cage, -5 firesuit, competition license, and many other things. That is simply indefensible.

Excellent point. It makes sense. Problem is it is easier for tech to look at the decal on the window than figure out what each car actually runs. With the direction NHRA tech is going we know what way they will choose.

Michael Beard 11-02-2017 08:42 PM

Re: 2017 to 2018 Rule Amendments
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by novassdude (Post 548959)
Excellent point. It makes sense. Problem is it is easier for tech to look at the decal on the window than figure out what each car actually runs. With the direction NHRA tech is going we know what way they will choose.

Looking at the dial-in on the window is even easier.

Bob Schmalz 11-02-2017 08:59 PM

Re: 2017 to 2018 Rule Amendments
 
So we would put our dial-in on the window before going to tech ?

reera 11-02-2017 09:18 PM

Re: 2017 to 2018 Rule Amendments
 
What do the metric guys do?
Only one place to get a shield. Tom waters race car products. Doesn’t clear case braces. On a 69 nova, it requires cutting/modifying floor pan more than rules allow for stock eliminator just to get it to fit. Run a blanket instead? This ain’t tractor pulling. Bye bye 350, hello 6 banger. V/SA here I come.

Ryan Walther
Stock 315

Casey Miles 11-02-2017 10:23 PM

Re: 2017 to 2018 Rule Amendments
 
Instead of worrying about blankets and shields, put a standard trans in your cars and see what fun it is racing and shifting gears. With Jericho and Gforce transmissions, reliability is at it's best. The biggest problem is figuring out the clutch, it's cheaper then converter's because you buy one and work with it. Breakage is minimal these days and repeatability is pretty easy.
Just a suggestion.

Casey Miles
248H Stock

Jason 11-02-2017 10:48 PM

Re: 2017 to 2018 Rule Amendments
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Beard (Post 548987)
Looking at the dial-in on the window is even easier.

There is no dial-in on the window during qualifying.

Shaun Quill 11-03-2017 05:39 AM

Re: 2017 to 2018 Rule Amendments
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Casey Miles (Post 548993)
Instead of worrying about blankets and shields, put a standard trans in your cars and see what fun it is racing and shifting gears. With Jericho and Gforce transmissions, reliability is at it's best. The biggest problem is figuring out the clutch, it's cheaper then converter's because you buy one and work with it. Breakage is minimal these days and repeatability is pretty easy.
Just a suggestion.

Casey Miles
248H Stock

Amen!!!!!

Bobby Fazio 11-03-2017 07:17 AM

Re: 2017 to 2018 Rule Amendments
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Signman (Post 548906)
Looks about right same as ET Racing. Never looked were 9 second and faster stockers not running a trans shield?

Looks like OEM electronic shift only so e-shift, electric and air shifters may be done.

Elegal shift is done? Or the shifter can't be electric controlled? Air shifters were allowed in stock? Big rule change here that needs some elaboration.

Michael Beard 11-03-2017 09:40 AM

Re: 2017 to 2018 Rule Amendments
 
OMG.... how do you think they do tech at bracket races? Go through tech: "How fast do you run?" "10.50's" "OK, you need XYZ." This is NOT hard.

And YES, the tech guys already watch E.T.'s. A friend has always wanted to run a 9.99 just once with his Stocker, but doesn't have a full cage. He was specifically told there would be no grace period. One 9.99 and he was out of the event.


Again, the idea that one car running 10.80's requires far more stringent safety standards than an identical car running 10.00 is ludicrous. It also creates a potentially massive problem with insurance. What happens when a 10-oh car wrecks with a roll bar, -1 suit, etc., and the insurance company says, "Why didn't this car and driver meet the same safety standards as this other car that's much slower, but requires a full cage, -5 suit, competition license, ad infinitum?"

SS3718 11-03-2017 09:52 AM

Re: 2017 to 2018 Rule Amendments
 
Michael,
Some of the bracket races I've watched here lately doesn't appear to have any rules when it comes to safety....helmet mandatory, everything else is optional. It's not my style but it also doesn't directly impact me!

If you want the simplest rule when it comes to safety....everyone should wear the same thing and have the same requirements. After all, your 10.50 car is running against 8.50 cars going 160+.

Nick


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