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Those of us who run slower stockers would benefit from being able to deep stage.
As we are in the minority, we lost the vote. I have to leave when I see the second amber going out, not an easy thing to teach an old racer.

Jim Mantle V/SA 68

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The sportsman classes should be just like the pros. You only need one light to start, and that is the stage. The problem to me is racers putting deep on the window, and expect special treatment, when they stage. It is something extra that is not needed or wanted. The prestagr was to just tell you , your getting close to the stage. It adds to the confuline, easily when the slower time wins the round due to reaction time being lower and a slower et. I think NHRA did it to take out some of the variation in this technique of rolling. It is stupid to me that I roll in and the prestage goes out and I am staged, but I go red. Just because I let the top bulb go out. If the rule is that great, then the pros should do the same thing. I have to roll in to get good lites, and I run super gas. If the top bulb flickers I am red. But if the bottom bulb flickers, cause you too shallow, well I believe that have a fix in the timing system for that, and you don't go red. I want it just like the pros. I roll in and the top bulb goes out, so what I am staged. Also could be for the rule is that you know where you are when the top bulb goes out, and can adjust you delay, or what ever to be even better. Let's race and do it like the pros. I believe it would liven thing up on the starting line

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At the local tracks I've been to, if a competitor wants to stage deep, as a racer courtesy he is -expected- to get in there and get staged first so as not to "hold up the show". Much like Jim Mantle stated, I already know from past experience that if forced to shallow stage, I too will have to leave in between the second and third yellows in order to cut a good light with a 14 second 6 cyl car. The reason for a deep stage in my world is simply to adjust where I leave on the tree, not to get closer to the finish line. Even though I've always had slow cars, I just wanted on leave on the last yellow like everybody else gets to do!
But its OK, I'll figure out the adjustment either with shorter tires or brain cells..been through the wars many times before.

As far as deep staging being an advantage--you have to run what's written on the window or slower so I don't see that being an issue as far as ET is concerned. Doesn't mean a deep stage guy will always cut .00_ lights either.
Yeah, I get where a fast car can ET slower than what they're fully capable of if they're in deep, but the only time I can see that really meaning anything is when you can run 1.20 unders or better at will.

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Funny, I've never had a problem shallow staging. I didn't deep stage when I could.
I would rather see NHRA do away with the pre-stage bulb then go back to allowing deep-staging.

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Hey Billy....you were lucky to have a mentor like Ed to teach you the rope.

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You don't mean Eddie, the King of the Deep-Stagers do you?

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Getting the car to leave and hit the tree may sacrifice some ET or time & $$

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Deep staging is the same difference between S/C S/G and SST. Why does SST have a .500 tree and S/C, S/G have a .400 tree? It's because the weight of the cars which in turn is the same as deep staging the SST car on a .400 tree. The only reason for the "pre" stage bulb is to let the driver know he's close to the starting line. Take out the pre stage beam and the question of deep wouldn't even come into conversation.
People who race should know what the purpose of the lights are used for then the term deep would be a mood point.
Deep should be allowed in any category and through out courtesy staging. If you go deep, just get in before the other racer and let him take his time. The other racer has 7 seconds to stage after he lights his first bulb, that's plenty of time to clear engine and all the other reasons not to get in.

Casey Miles
248H Stock

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The button on the sreering wheel was the one i never understood still have it just on your foot