Re: New Eliminator proposition
 

And again some people are "serious" about discussing possible improvements.

Re: New Eliminator proposition
 

You're right Dick, it IS a joke. Kind of like discussing creating a new, "heads-up" eliminator at a point in time when NHRA can't even fill a Pro Stock field! Or for that matter, a T/S or T/D field.

Re: New Eliminator proposition
 

Billy, Maybe the fact that a Major cut in price by a sealed (fill in Brand) motor or Basic Mod motor could allow those who are on the verge of being priced out of S or SS to stay with it would count. Maybe making a simple tear down would be worth it to a group of Class Racers. Maybe many people could see "their advantages" allowed in a simpler class car. Still keep the rest of the classes, Still have a dial in for bracket race races but Keep It Simpler...NHRA problems in other Eliminators isn't related to this discussion. SS and Stock have racers, today but the factoring, High $ , Tough tear down and lack of a true entry class might all be solved by one class for MANY racers.

Long Term the Factory classes will be Pro Stock anyway just due to Cash required and lack of recognizable cars in Pro.

Re: New Eliminator proposition
 

Pro Stock is unobtainable for the average person, and T/D and T/S are still just quick bracket racing. And yet classes like Coyote Stock in the NMRA, while only a few years old, are continuing to grow. There are people building for that class that have never drag raced before. The problem with the NHRA losing car count is basically this: older racers are getting out, and there is nothing to appeal to the younger racer. Give them a class that they can run without a breakout and be competitive in for a reasonable budget, and I know it would grow. Especially given the fact that guys could then run in divisional races without having to travel all over the country like is currently done in the NMRA/NMCA to run 7 or 9 (or whatever the current number is) of events. I'm not saying it has to be a Coyote, or LS, or for that matter, a factory "anything". But a sealed crate motor with a sealed tuneup opens the door for a lot more involvement.

Re: New Eliminator proposition
 

Stock and Super Stock racing as it is now is not broken. . NHRA will continue to tweak the system . Only a very few racers are complaining the majority are happy with the rules as they are now . no need to change much .

Re: New Eliminator proposition
 

That's One vote for no changes...Everyone is entitled to One vote....If many are looking for options within NHRA they can vote also.

Re: New Eliminator proposition
 

double like!!

Re: New Eliminator proposition
 

Wow.....lots of good posts. Don Kennedy, I agree, stock and superstock is not broken, except for the "no horsepower" for new cars. Very simply, if NHRA is ever going to allow a new eliminator, it absolutely has to be simple to administer........Newest categories, Top Dragster, Top Sportsman.......vertually no time necessary for NHRA to regulate. Safety check the cars.....top 16 or 32 qualify....must run within ? of qualification time.
I feel strongly about 2 categories of Modified Production.....first category (double AA, BB, etc), multiple carbs (no boosters).......14 inch tire. Second category, (single A, B, etc)....single carb, 9 inch tire...Where I seem to have a difference with some posts is the size of the carb changing with the class......I believe one size carb for the single carb cars....my preference is a 600 CFM....If you want to run A/MP with 500 inches, make it run with 600 CFM....(no real opponent of a 750 carb as long as it is 750 for all single carb cars)... We don't want to make it easy for competitors to run fast, they will have to work hard on the combinations......but we have to make it easy for NHRA tech to administer.

It goes like this.....OK, you want to run single carb Modified Production......easy to make horsepower (relatively speaking) with a 300 cube engine and 600 CFM carb......you want to run A/MP, much harder to make horsepower with a 600 CFM......Your choice.....\

Absolutely needs to run like Comp with CIC......resent the CIC periodically, and start from scratch.

EFI and turbos could be added later, depending of the success of Modified Production. But needs to be easy for NHRA.

Realistic, A tear down for a stocker.....cam lift, bore, stroke, carb measurements, wheel base, overhang, pull a piston with rod for weight and compliance, intake compliance, etc..... this 2 category Modified Production.....pump the engine, fuel check, measure carb, and 5 seconds to check tire size.

Good Luck

Re: New Eliminator proposition
 

How are the proposed classes not like the super mod classes in comp? And any time it comes down to no break out and weight to cubic inches, it is going to get very expensive very fast.

Re: New Eliminator proposition
 

always impressed that many open minded people realize it might be better to get away from Third Handed HP ratings and easily manipulated AHFS and use Cubic Inchs for a Basic class.
THe econo Modified discussion in earlier posts indicated how to limit costs. No computer for eliminations, any flat top piston, Spec Brodix heads, Spec carb, Lb/cubic inch any SS chassis with any rods, any crank, No external vacuum, no external oil pump. Hole in pan to police. Stock placement of Dist. Spec spring and Cam size. Might even give wt break for regular chassis versus FWD chassis of 50#.
Take off headers to check heads, tech Carb, Check wt, and look in pan.Pump.
Easy tech.