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Re: Fuel Injection

As much as I hate to say it...... Eliminate heads-up runs during eliminations will talke care of all of it.

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Originally Posted by D.Johns (Post 456541)

How about breaking it down even further. Separate the cars by the owners income and amount spent on their car. A Hundreth off for every hundred earned/spent. But everyone must still get a trophy and no one can know what class the other is in because it may single others out.

Now, the Star-Bell Sneetches had bellies with stars.
The Plain-Belly Sneetches had none upon thars.
Those stars weren’t so big. They were really so small.
You might think such a thing wouldn’t matter at all.

Then ONE day, it seems while the Plain-Belly Sneetches
Were moping and doping alone on the beaches,
Just sitting there wishing their bellies had stars,
A stranger zipped up in the strangest of cars!

Re: Fuel Injection

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Originally Posted by Angelo DiTocco (Post 456596)

As much as I hate to say it...... Eliminate heads-up runs during eliminations will talke care of all of it.

Then it is just another dumb-azzed shoe polish bracket race. I kinda like heads ups.

Re: Fuel Injection

The chance of more heads up runs is what I liked about the new stock class layout.

To be honest I don't see EFI to have distinct performance advantage. But I also base that off of the class where people switched to a carb and different intake and picked up with the better fuel atomization. I prefer EFI myself. I'm that in between age where I know a little about carbs but all my performance experience is on EFI.

Re: Fuel Injection

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Originally Posted by countrypuppy4865 (Post 456548)

I think they got this one right for the most part. I think the drastic changes for SS went a little too far (Drag pak, copo, and cobra jet falling in FS/GT even with old engine). However, this just separates the engines that weren't available at the dealership from engines that were. You can still have a new car in regular classes. You can take a regular challenger and put a 5.7 Hemi in it and run H-J/S(A) with a 300hp rating. This is no different from how it has been for years. The factory rates engines that came in these cars on the street at a lower hp than their capability. However, you will not stick a factory engine in the car and go to the top of the qualifying sheet. They will still take some work to make them run.
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Cooter gets it completely right. But I run one of them pesky 69 Camaros, so maybe I'm bias. And he runs one of them LS1's, so maybe he is too. Heck, maybe the majority of people and their old stockers get it too. All NHRA did was put their own spin on a Crate Motor class and said it had to be 2008 and newer Crate Motor stuff. It clearly is the best move for Stock Eliminator. A bunch of your fellow racers won't just go out and buy a new car to be competitive, they will just quit Stock or Super Stock racing. Lets be fair and call the Factory Racing Programs what they are, and they are NOT stock. They are Factory Stock.

Re: Fuel Injection

Hagen & Cooter are both correct, as is the mention that you can put a carb on these engines and make more power. It has been done over and over. Fuel injection is no magic bullet. One advantage is not having to buy a high dollar Quadrajet (or whatever you run) from each race carb builder to see which one is fastest. I also have friends with carbureted Super Stock cars that have two from the same guy, and one is faster. None of my carbureted SS friends have only one race-built carb, they all have one faster than their other carbs. With EFI there is no magic ECU or keyboard. No worn out threads from too many jet changes, etc. Fuel injection only makes more power in some people's minds. They likely just truly don't know much about it. That stinking fuel injection is all they see.

Re: Fuel Injection

Looking at SS H-K it would be really hard to argue against it. But I'm sure it's just the carb group just didn't work as hard on their stuff.

Re: Fuel Injection

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Originally Posted by Hagen Gary (Post 456602)

.....Lets be fair and call the Factory Racing Programs what they are, and they are NOT stock. They are Factory Stock.

They should be called what they really are...Factory Experimental.

Re: Fuel Injection

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Originally Posted by Brett C (Post 456623)

Looking at SS H-K it would be really hard to argue against it. But I'm sure it's just the carb group just didn't work as hard on their stuff.

Not many carbureted cars in the class I run, but Mike Cotten's car has a carb. Lloyd Wolford's Volarie did too, until he put a DP engine in it. Both have handed me my tail. You don't hear Jeff crying about their hp factors. But those are MOPARs, so........

Re: Fuel Injection

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Originally Posted by Stocker 2 (Post 456626)

They should be called what they really are...Factory Experimental.

Yup

Re: Fuel Injection

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Originally Posted by D.Johns (Post 456541)

Well said, Mr. Johns. Everybody wins, just like in t-ball. Can't hit the ball, no worries mate, here's your trophy. Show up for Class, not fast, Wally for you.